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T-J
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losing_touch
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sarbonn
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| Sounds like Immigration just didn't want to deal with the hassle. Now she's opened up a can of worms by rubbing in their faces. Yeah, should definitely get interesting now as she finds herself on a plane back to the country where she actually has rights. |
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bassexpander
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Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 5:14 am Post subject: |
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Gawd, I was reading down the article about how this woman made a big deal out of them respecting her rights... I was thinking, "Gee, this sound about as strange as the way ATEK approached the whole F-2 visa debacle."
I wonder how involved ATEK is with this lady? Are they at all?
In addition, this whole thing was a set-up to promote a lawsuit, as you can see here:
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| ``If they had rejected Vandom, we planned to take legal action against the regulations, which have no legal grounds. But they just gave her a visa. We will continually support foreign teachers challenging the discriminative immigration rules,'' said Chang Suh-yeon, an attorney working for the Korean Public Interest Lawyers' Group, Gong-Gam. |
Interestingly, that lawsuit wasn't able to take place because of what immigration did. Now we get this article as a kind of "Well, we didn't get what we want, so we'll take this angle....
I wonder if someone tipped someone else off that she was coming?
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Toronto
Joined: 26 Nov 2007
Location: Seoul - Area
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| Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 5:15 am Post subject: Good luck Norma Rae |
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It seems rather odd to be renewing your visa 4 weeks into the university semester. I never can trust these Korea Times stories , they are always messing up some part of the story.
I would be shocked if immigration was arbitrarily applying the rules. It seems something is missing in this story.
Remember, immigration is the same folks that are supposed to be keeping the borders safe from terrorists (I mean the real deal bad guys BTW). |
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subicslugger
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| Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 6:10 am Post subject: |
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| Sounds like Immigration just didn't want to deal with the hassle. Now she's opened up a can of worms by rubbing in their faces. Yeah, should definitely get interesting now as she finds herself on a plane back to the country where she actually has rights. |
Uh...She got a one year extension. Did you not catch that? |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 6:18 am Post subject: |
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| subicslugger wrote: |
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| Sounds like Immigration just didn't want to deal with the hassle. Now she's opened up a can of worms by rubbing in their faces. Yeah, should definitely get interesting now as she finds herself on a plane back to the country where she actually has rights. |
Uh...She got a one year extension. Did you not catch that? |
Through March of last year many teachers were able to renew without providing the documents required under the new rules. So, it's possible the teacher had never provided a health check or CRC previously for her visa.
Teachers who have already provided a CRC and health check do not need to provide these again when renewing, and in some cases when changing schools, if they have not left Korea since providing the original documents. |
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jinks
Joined: 27 Oct 2004
Location: Formerly: Lower North Island
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| Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 2:30 pm Post subject: Re: Good luck Norma Rae |
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I would be shocked if immigration was arbitrarily applying the rules.
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wylies99
Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!
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Instead of producing documents showing HIV/AIDS and drug test results, she gave an immigration officer a letter.
It reads: ``Unfortunately, I will not be submitting the HIV/ AIDS test results or the tuberculosis drug test results that you have requested. These tests unreasonably discriminate against me as a foreigner living in Korea and are a violation of my human rights.''
In the letter, she also said that she has lived and worked in Korea for more than three years and does not understand why she is suddenly suspected of being a danger to Korean society.
``I have done nothing wrong, and yet the Korea Immigration Service wants to search my body. This is an invasion of my most private and personal rights and an affront to my human dignity,'' she said.
According to Vandom, after reading the letter, the immigration official showed the letter to one of his colleagues, and then his colleague came back and said, ``Last year, the law changed and you need HIV and drug tests.''
Vandom, 30, said she then replied, ``I understand what you are saying,'' and again directed his attention to the letter. At this point, she said, the immigration officer completed the sojourn application form and handed over her alien registration card saying ``visa extension, one year.''
``I feel relieved that my human rights were respected. However, I feel concerned about thousands of other E-2 visa holders living and working in Korea that have not been similarly treated,'' Vandom said.
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A foreign woman could get away with this. Betcha no foreign male could refuse to do the medical check while making claims about "searching my body" and still receive a visa. |
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rollo
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Location: China
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| They just didnt want the hassle of dealing with a wingnut. Please help me how is a country protecting itself from health risks a violation of human rights? Do "human rights" trump the health and well being of a nation. Actions like this will help speed the hiring of Indian and fillipino teachers. Offered a good job in a safe country and teachers turn up their noses and call the hosts bigots. The tests are to protect the children. I dont like Korean xenophobia and many of the ways that they treat Westerners. really tick me off. But this is getting absurb! It's time that the oh so fragile westerners that are being so abused by a pee test and a chest x-ray and the drawing of a little blood go home. Whiny little brats!!! |
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Unposter
Joined: 04 Jun 2006
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| I wonder what would happen if everyone did what she did? |
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cruisemonkey
Joined: 04 Jul 2005
Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Teachers who have already provided a CRC and health check do not need to provide these again when renewing, and in some cases when changing schools, if they have not left Korea since providing the original documents. |
Where are you getting this from? It's not true!
In order to obtain an Extension of Stay for an E-2 visa, one must provide (among other documents):
- Original copy of the Health Examination for Employment (include TBPE test and HIV test).
- Issuance of proof of (lack of) criminal records.*
*Exempt: Native instructors invited by the Ministry of Education. |
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cruisemonkey
Joined: 04 Jul 2005
Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 3:58 pm Post subject: Re: Good luck Norma Rae |
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I would be shocked if immigration was arbitrarily applying the rules.
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I wouldn't |
Yeah... when has any Kimmi officer ever not arbitrarily applied the rules?  |
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T-J
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae
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| Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2009 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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From the Korea Times article:
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``If they had rejected Vandom, we planned to take legal action against the regulations, which have no legal grounds. But they just gave her a visa. We will continually support foreign teachers challenging the discriminative immigration rules,'' said Chang Suh-yeon, an attorney working for the Korean Public Interest Lawyers' Group, Gong-Gam.
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http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2009/03/116_42107.html
Sounds like they were hoping for their day in court and KIS didn't give them the fight that they were looking for on that day. So they went to the press with the story. Now the question is, 'who is she working with?'
I know I don't want to be the sucker that has to deal with immigration over the next few weeks. The shit from this is going to be rolling down the bureaucratic hill, and you know who is standing at the bottom of that hill. |
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cruisemonkey
Joined: 04 Jul 2005
Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.
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| Now the question is, 'who is she working with?' |
'Tony'... of course! 
... or was that a rhetorical question? |
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