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[Beej]

Anyone not think that the US Marines need to kill every last one of these "people." They are selling this video in the markets there. You can watch a little clip of it here.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/International/story?id=7246780&page=1


Taliban Video Shows Teen Girl Beaten for 'Adultery'
Pakistani Girl's Alleged Crime Was Hosting a Man in Her Home
By NICK SCHIFRIN and HABIBULLAH KHAN
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan
April 3, 2009


Clad in a dark blue burka, she is held down by two different men, her face rubbed in the dirt. A third man in a black turban whips her lower back more than 30 times in a minute and a half, her teenage voice screaming out in terror and pain.

"Stop. It's killing me." "For God's sake, stop," she sobs. "I swear on my father and grandmother I won't do it again."

Across this country today Pakistanis listened to her screams and watched her writhing on national television. The young woman, 16- or 17-years-old, is a resident of northern Swat, the Pakistani valley where the local government is negotiating with the Taliban.

Her crime, according to the Taliban and local residents, was hosting a man in her house and supposedly having a physical relationship with him.

No evidence of such a relationship was ever given, but the rumor of such a relationship, according to the local Taliban spokesman, was actually enough to be stoned to death. The punishment in this case, he told a local TV channel, was "lenient."

For the last seven weeks the provincial government that oversees Pakistan's volatile Northwest Frontier Province has been using a former militant to negotiate with a Taliban that, over the last year and a half, has blown up more than 200 schools and killed more than 100 police and soldiers in Swat. The deal the government hopes to implement would restrict the military to their barracks, allow the Taliban to implement sharia, or Islamic law, and remove armed Taliban in the streets.


But critics have seized on the video as evidence that men who whip teenage girls in front of cell phone cameras are not to be negotiated with. And, they say, the provincial government has virtually handed over a third of Pakistan's northwest to its enemies, choosing to do so from a position of weakness after the Taliban terrorized the most peaceful and liberal part of northwest Pakistan.


The incident in the video took place months ago, according to local journalists, long before the peace negotiations began. But Swat's residents say nothing has changed for the better since the peace deal, and even if this video wasn't filmed in the last 7 weeks, the Taliban continue to administer their cruel forms of justice in the streets and continue to keep themselves heavily armed.

There is No Law' in the Swat Valley
"Nobody can walk around at night. Very few people can even walk around during the day," said one resident of Mingora, describing a terrified population. "There is no law. Police are still restricted to the police station."


"The militants are patrolling on the roads and they are occupying some people's homes& and even they are threatening the girls who go to school," said Zubair Torwali, a human rights activist from Swat. "There is no government writ. The writ of the Taliban can be seen through the whole valley."

The video of the incident, which has been distributed widely in the last day thanks to an Islamabad-based filmmaker, is now on sale in Swat's bazaars, according to local residents. Some journalists in the area said they had the tape long before it went on sale late last month, but were simply too afraid of retribution to broadcast it.


Even a senior member of the provincial government admits that if the Taliban are going to continue to terrorize and threaten the people of Swat, the peace negotiations should be questioned.


"Nowhere in this process has anyone said or accepted that individuals can stand up and start this kind of activity," says Bushra Gohar, the Awami National Party's senior vice president. " So long as the Taliban spokesman calls this type of act "lenient," she said, " then there's no need for the continuing for the peace talks. If human rights are going to be violated with impunity, what is the purpose being served?"


In two separate media interviews, Muslim Khan, the spokesman for the Taliban in Swat, admitted that the man whipping the girl was a member of the Taliban. He also said that the people holding her down were members of her own family, a claim that could not be confirmed. He added that had Islamic judges recently installed in Swat as part of the peace negotiations been present at the scene, she would have been ordered stoned to death.


"She had to be punished," Khan told Geo News. "The punishment administered by local Taliban was in our knowledge and they did the right thing, but the method was wrong," he added, saying the punishment should have been carried out inside.



Human Rights Acitivists Say the Taliban Getting Stronger
Still, the provincial government maintains that it has no plans to abandon the peace deal and try and defeat the Taliban with the military, who had been fighting in Swat on and off for more than a year.


"I personally have concerns about this whole process, but of course I have more concerns when the military was there," Gohar said. "Once the development process has started, then the people will stand up. But they're still in a state of trauma. What we need to do is create a bit of peace for them and they can recover."


But locals are far more pessimistic. Angered by civilian casualties from the military campaign and a corrupt, slow court system, they had hoped the peace deal would bring calm and swift justice to the valley.


But instead, they fear the Taliban is getting stronger and that the fighting will resume in a few weeks. "Swat has fallen to the Taliban," Towali said. "It's the truth. Everyone knows that."


Asked about the Taliban and whether they can be trusted, one resident mentioned a Pashto saying: "If you let a snake in the room with people and expect the snake not to bite the people, you'd be a fool. Because the snake's job is to bite." Asked if the snake was biting again, the resident said, "Whenever it can, it does."

[Panda]

Poor girl

But " had Islamic judges recently installed in Swat as part of the peace negotiations been present at the scene, she would have been ordered stoned to death. "

"The punishment administered by local Taliban was in our knowledge and they did the right thing, but the method was wrong," he added, saying the punishment should have been carried out inside.


Silver lining?

[RJjr]

[Big_Bird]

It's causing outrage in Pakistan as we speak. This extreme brand of Islam is actually quite new to that region of the world, and has been exported from the Middle East, via the Islamic warriors we paid to fight the Russians and now via the Taleban to whom we were supposed to have dealt such a blow but whose influence and power is now spreading from Afghanistan into Pakistan.

Let's give ourselves a good pat on the back.

[Beej]

[endo]

[Big_Bird]

[wesharris]

The cost of freedom is eternal vigilance.
The cost of civilization, is eternal barbarity.
May the barbarians burn in the righteous hell fire known as
the middle east for this point in time.
_+_
Wes

[endo]

[Big_Bird]

[endo]

Again you really don't have a clue do you?


I'm aware of the laws instituted my the mujahadine. But do you have any idea what life was like for women in Afghanistan and Pakistan prior to 1979?

And if so, why in the hell are you trying to blame these barbaric practices on Western governments?

Yore sense of responsibility is misplaced.


You then want to suggest that radical Islam is also a factor. I think religion is just a tool and these practices in this part of the world are more so cultural in that the pre-date the emergence if Islam.



Thanks for trying . Yeah sure, thhe Americans (along with thhe Saudis and Israelis and a few others) are responsible for aiding the mujahadine way back when to fight a proxi war for various reasons.

But remember the Afghans and Pakistanis for the most part were welcoming of the foreign resistant fighters. And it wasn't the americanns who forbade many of these same fighters from returning to their home countries following the Soviiet withdrawl.


I mean I can go on and on, but it looks to me like we have another person (with somewhat giid intentions) who doesn't have a grasp of the issues.

[Big_Bird]

[Big_Bird]

This might be a couple of good places to start improving your education, bell endo:
http://www.iiav.nl/ezines/web/JournalofInternationalWomensStudies/2003/Vol4Nr3May/Afghanistan.pdf

http://womenshistory.about.com/library/ency/blwh_aghanistan_gender_roles.htm

It's long been my opinion that the women of Afghanistan were a great deal better off under the communists (no I'm not generally in favour of communism, before you start off on that) and we fucked them up big time when we 'liberated' them from the Soviets.

[endo]

I'm aware that the Soviets tried to improve the lives of the Afghani women and a number of Soviet citizens working in Afghanistan at that time were murdered by the Mugahadine.


But what does this have to do with the argumennts I previous made in this thread against your oginal point I had issue with?

Obviously I'm dealing with a lightweight here. You're boring me.

[Big_Bird]