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justaguy
Joined: 01 Jan 2008
Location: seoul
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 Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 9:35 am Post subject: ENGLISH TEACHERS! |
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Ladies and gentleman, I saw this and thought I should post it. A man lost all confidence in his life and learning English.
Korea is having hard times these days and as teachers we should all redouble our efforts to help our students feel confident in English.
"A man who killed 13 people at a Binghamton, N.Y., immigrant services centre was depressed over losing his job and angry about his poor English skills, local officials said Saturday.
It appears that people "degraded and disrespected" the man because he could not speak English well, Binghamton Police Chief Joseph Zikuski told NBC's "Today" show" |
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justaguy
Joined: 01 Jan 2008
Location: seoul
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Bibbitybop
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 10:39 am Post subject: |
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| Having poor English skills may have been part of the problem, but the problem was certainly not lack of English. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Of more immediate concern is some foreign ESLer here getting fired from his hakwon job and going postal. Given some of the unstable personalities we see displayed here at Dave's, I wouldn't be at all surprised. It's probably only a matter of time. |
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goodsounz
Joined: 09 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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| That's why I like this country. You can't defend yourself against a gun (unless you're superman or wonderwoman). Knives, baseball bats etc you can run away from; a bullet you cannot. |
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karmarooster
Joined: 11 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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| That's why I like this country. You can't defend yourself against a gun (unless you're superman or wonderwoman). Knives, baseball bats etc you can run away from; a bullet you cannot. |
seriously! when is america going to wake up and realize that all these random shootings would be a lot less common if there weren't something like 65 million handguns? it was just a few weeks ago that a man went postal in alabama. it happens with stunning regularity. this will be big news for a week or maybe less, then everyone will forget for a few months until it happens again. rinse and repeat.
i was in middle school/high school when all the school shootings happened and then columbine. it seems like random shootings have been a way of life since i can remember.
public enemy #1: NRA. |
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nuthatch
Joined: 21 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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yes, karmarooster,
also...time to shut down producers of guns/ammo
(besides the military industrial complex MID) |
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cck3000
Joined: 24 Dec 2008
Location: Yeosu, South Korea
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| Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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I remember when Kurt Cobain committed suicide. They had people on standby to make sure students didnt flip out and kill other people. I
think its just American Culture thats messed up. People had guns in the 60's and 70's but nothing was happening like this. |
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kimchi_pizza
Joined: 24 Jul 2006
Location: "Get back on the bus! Here it comes!"
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| Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 6:19 pm Post subject: Re: ENGLISH TEACHERS! |
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| justaguy wrote: |
Ladies and gentleman, I saw this and thought I should post it. A man lost all confidence in his life and learning English.
Korea is having hard times these days and as teachers we should all redouble our efforts to help our students feel confident in English.
"A man who killed 13 people at a Binghamton, N.Y., immigrant services centre was depressed over losing his job and angry about his poor English skills, local officials said Saturday.
It appears that people "degraded and disrespected" the man because he could not speak English well, Binghamton Police Chief Joseph Zikuski told NBC's "Today" show" |
Naw, don't think that's the case at all. I can't see a large number of people giving him a hard time because of his English fluency. More than likely it was just paranoia brought on by his crack-cocaine habit.
Besides, excusing his attacks because of being picked-on for low English proficiency is a bit silly don't you think? The guy was a loser, plain an simple. Look at his father, he seemed to do well for himself despite being an immigrant from what I read. |
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Rory_Calhoun27
Joined: 14 Feb 2009
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| Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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| karmarooster wrote: |
| goodsounz wrote: |
| That's why I like this country. You can't defend yourself against a gun (unless you're superman or wonderwoman). Knives, baseball bats etc you can run away from; a bullet you cannot. |
seriously! when is america going to wake up and realize that all these random shootings would be a lot less common if there weren't something like 65 million handguns? it was just a few weeks ago that a man went postal in alabama. it happens with stunning regularity. this will be big news for a week or maybe less, then everyone will forget for a few months until it happens again. rinse and repeat.
i was in middle school/high school when all the school shootings happened and then columbine. it seems like random shootings have been a way of life since i can remember.
public enemy #1: NRA. |
You can thank the founding fathers for that- it's amazing how 21st century gun-nuts ignore the phrase "a well regulated militia," the first part of the first sentence of the second amendment.
My guess is George Washington (really, the original "W") never intended for every person who ever wanted a gun to have one. The purpose is to have a standing "Citizen-army," that can come together to fight such problems as the "Redcoats" of the day. Presumably such a force would also be well-regulated, trained, and held to a higher standard. |
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in_seoul_2003
Joined: 24 Nov 2003
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| Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 6:59 pm Post subject: Re: ENGLISH TEACHERS! |
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| justaguy wrote: |
Korea is having hard times these days and as teachers we should all redouble our efforts to help our students feel confident in English. |
Holy smokes! In addition to my ESL services you also want me to play the role of psychic preventer of ramapage perpetrators, ala Tom Cruise in the futuristic movie?
Will I be able to take pre-emptive action against would-be assasins and have them kicked out of the hogwan at the age of ten? |
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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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nothing more than daily news for amerca!
everyday same shit different story...
here is todays news.. and Im sure there are 10 more stories like it which didnt make the blacknwhite print today
America has been and always will be a violent country it was founded on bloodshed and will end in bloodshed!
its just in Americans blood! Americans love a war! so don't expect the guns to leave anytime...
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Police: 5 children, father found dead in Wash.
23 mins ago
GRAHAM, Wash. � Washington state investigators say five children between 7 and 16 years old have been found dead in a Graham area home and they may have been killed by their father.
Pierce County Sheriff's investigators told The News Tribune the children apparently were victims of homicidal violence.
Spokesman Ed Troyer says the 35-year-old father was discovered dead Saturday afternoon in neighboring King County.
Deputies were called to check on the welfare of the children at a mobile home park after the father's body was discovered.
Troyer identified the dead children as four girls and a 7-year-old boy. |
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Gunman 'lying in wait' kills 3 Pittsburgh officers
By RAMIT PLUSHNICK-MASTI and DAN NEPHIN, Associated Press Writers Ramit Plushnick-masti And Dan Nephin, Associated Press Writers 1 hr 25 mins ago
PITTSBURGH � A gunman wearing a bulletproof vest and "lying in wait" opened fire on officers responding to a domestic disturbance call Saturday, killing three of them and turning a quiet Pittsburgh street into a battlefield, police said.
Police Chief Nate Harper said the motive for the shooting isn't clear, but friends said the gunman recently had been upset about losing his job and feared the Obama administration was poised to ban guns.
Richard Poplawski, 23, met officers at the doorway and shot two of them in the head immediately, Harper said. An officer who tried to help the two also was killed.
Poplawski, armed with an assault rifle and two other guns, then held police at bay for four hours as the fallen officers were left bleeding nearby, their colleagues unable to reach them, according to police and witnesses. More than 100 rounds were fired by the SWAT teams and Poplawski, Harper said.
The three slain officers were Eric Kelly, 41, Stephen Mayhle, 29, and Paul Sciullo III, 37. Kelly had been on the force for 14 years, Mayhle and Sciullo for two years each. Another officer, Timothy McManaway, was shot in the hand and a fifth broke his leg on a fence.
Poplawski had gunshot wounds in his legs but was otherwise unharmed because he was wearing a bulletproof vest, Harper said. He was charged with three counts of homicide, aggravated assault and a weapons violation.
The shooting occurred just two weeks after four police officers were fatally shot in Oakland, Calif., in the deadliest day for U.S. law enforcement since Sept. 11, 2001. The officers were the first Pittsburgh city officers to die in the line of duty in 18 years.
"This is a solemn day and it's a very sad day in the city of Pittsburgh," Harper said. "We've seen this kind of violence happen in California. We never would think this kind of violence would happen in the city of Pittsburgh."
At 7 a.m., Sciullo and Mayhle responded to a 911 call from Poplawski's mother, who remained holed up in the basement during the entire dispute and escaped unharmed, Harper said.
When they arrived at the home, Sciullo was immediately shot in the head. Mayhle, who was right behind him, was also shot in the head.
"It appears he was lying in wait for the officers," Harper said.
Kelly, who was on his way home after completing his overnight shift when he heard the call for help, rushed to the scene and was killed trying to help Sciullo and Mayhle, Harper said. SWAT teams and other officers arrived and were immediately fired on as well.
Don Sand, who lives across the street from Poplawski, said he was woken up by the sound of gunfire. Hunkering down behind a wall in his home, he saw the first two officers go down and then saw Kelly get shot.
"They couldn't get the scene secure enough to get to them. They were just lying there bleeding," Sand said. "By the time they secured the scene enough to get to them it was way too late."
Deputy Chief Paul Donaldson, who lives nearby, was one of the first officers to arrive. He saw Mayhle by a bush to the right of the door; Kelly was in the street and McManaway, his hand injured, was kneeling beside him, yelling that Kelly needed help.
Donaldson suggested using a police van to get them. They draped a bulletproof vest on the window to protect the driver and several officers got into the van to get Kelly and McManaway.
During this time, Poplawski was somehow distracted, Donaldson said.
"We were fortunate that he didn't fire on us. I don't know why he was distracted, but he apparently didn't see us coming down to get them," he said. "It could have been worse."
Poplawski had feared "the Obama gun ban that's on the way" and "didn't like our rights being infringed upon," said Edward Perkovic, his best friend.
Perkovic, 22, said he got a call at work from him in which he said, "Eddie, I am going to die today. ... Tell your family I love them and I love you."
Perkovic said: "I heard gunshots and he hung up. ... He sounded like he was in pain, like he got shot."
Poplawski had once tried to join the Marines, but was kicked out of boot camp after throwing a food tray at a drill sergeant, Perkovic said.
Another longtime friend, Aaron Vire, said Poplawski feared that President Barack Obama was going to take away his rights, though he said he "wasn't violently against Obama."
Vire, 23, said Poplawski once had an Internet talk show but that it wasn't successful. He said Poplawski owned an AK-47 rifle and several powerful handguns, including a .357 Magnum.
Obama has said he respects Americans' constitutional right to bear arms, but that he favors "common sense" gun laws. Gun rights advocates interpret that as meaning he would approve some curbs on assault and concealed weapons.
Poplawski had been laid off from his job at a glass factory earlier this year, said another friend, Joe DiMarco. DiMarco said he didn't know the name of the company, but knew his friend had been upset about it.
The last Pittsburgh police officers killed in the line of duty were Officers Thomas L. Herron and Joseph J. Grill, according to a Web site that tracks police killings. They died after their patrol car collided with another vehicle while chasing a stolen car on March 6, 1991.
In 1995, an off-duty officer was shot with his own gun after he confronted a group of teenagers about graffiti. Tests later showed the officer had been drinking.
According to the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund, 133 law enforcement officers died in the line of duty in 2008, a 27 percent decrease from year before and the lowest annual total since 1960.
Poplawski had often fought with neighbors and had even gotten into fist fights with a couple, Sand said.
"This is a relatively really quiet neighborhood except for him," Sand said. "He was just one of those kids that we knew to stay clear from."
Harper confirmed police had responded to calls from the Poplawski house several times but said the incidents were still being investigated.
Rob Gift, 45, who lives a block away, said the well-kept single-family houses with manicured lawns are home to many police officers, firefighters, paramedics and other city workers.
"It's just a very quiet neighborhood," Gift said. |
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moosehead
Joined: 05 May 2007
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| Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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back when when I was teaching at PS, in the first few weeks I used to eat lunch w/the P, VP, my co-T, and our school's business mgr. my co-T commented how shocked I was at the students running in the hallways and the P asked me don't they run in American schools?
I was shocked and said, no, absolutely not. he thought about this and all was a bit quiet and then I laughed and everyone looked at me. I thought about it and went ahead and told them
"I think if people in an American school saw people running they'd think someone had a gun"
everyone smiled at that and while it's no laughing matter, to me it was a bit ironic, because it was so true.   |
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justaguy
Joined: 01 Jan 2008
Location: seoul
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| Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 2:40 am Post subject: |
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| karmarooster wrote: |
| goodsounz wrote: |
| That's why I like this country. You can't defend yourself against a gun (unless you're superman or wonderwoman). Knives, baseball bats etc you can run away from; a bullet you cannot. |
seriously! when is america going to wake up and realize that all these random shootings would be a lot less common if there weren't something like 65 million handguns? it was just a few weeks ago that a man went postal in alabama. it happens with stunning regularity. this will be big news for a week or maybe less, then everyone will forget for a few months until it happens again. rinse and repeat.
i was in middle school/high school when all the school shootings happened and then columbine. it seems like random shootings have been a way of life since i can remember.
public enemy #1: NRA. |
Sadly to say this kind of incident will continue. Americans are really good at talking like a liberal and talking about change, but that's where it stops. American society is probably more conservative than Iran when it comes to making changes, even if they are ones that make society safe.
It makes me sick to my stomach to see this kind of thing happen because they all know better. |
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jkelly80
Joined: 13 Jun 2007
Location: you boys like mexico?
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| Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 2:45 am Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| Of more immediate concern is some foreign ESLer here getting fired from his hakwon job and going postal. Given some of the unstable personalities we see displayed here at Dave's, I wouldn't be at all surprised. It's probably only a matter of time. |
This is a stupid post. |
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