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bbrennan
Joined: 07 Apr 2009
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 7:33 am Post subject: Can anyone tell me about Aclipse/Chung Dahm Institute? |
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I was going through Aclipse to teach in South Korea, everything was going fine until I sent in my materials to get a placement, the materials were sent in close to a month ago and I was supposed to receive a placement within two weeks, but it took them until this past week to send me my placement. When I was sent my contract they were demanding I come to South Korea a week earlier than I told them I was available, the contract was for an hourly rate which did not include housing, health insurance, or paid vacation days like the monthly salary did. In addition the contract had some shady wording in regards to payment:
The hourly rate for the Instructor�s services shall initially be set at TWENTY EIGHT THOUSAND (_28,000_) Korean Won, which shall be paid monthly only upon full completion of all duties and obligations arising from the applicable month. The Instructor shall be entitled to payment calculated on the hourly rate only for actual teaching hours but not for any other time spent in other any activities, including but not limited to time spent in preparing for or traveling to and from scheduled classes. The Company shall designate the teaching schedule and hours for the Instructor, but the total teaching hours shall not exceed One Hundred and Twenty (120) Hours per month unless the Instructor has consented to such.
Am I mistaken or does this give the school too much power? I flat out refused the contract I was given and they're currently coming up with a new one, but now I'm worried that if they're this disorganized before I even get there, how will it be once I'm in South Korea?
I searched google and could not find much information on CDI and Aclipse, what I did find was a mix of good and bad, and what I found on here was the same but it was also from about 2 or 3 years ago. So if anyone has any more recent info on the two it'd be greatly appreciated. Thank you. |
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English Matt

Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 7:43 am Post subject: Re: Can anyone tell me about Aclipse/Chung Dahm Institute? |
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| bbrennan wrote: |
Backstory
I was going through Aclipse to teach in South Korea, everything was going fine until I sent in my materials to get a placement, the materials were sent in close to a month ago and I was supposed to receive a placement within two weeks, but it took them until this past week to send me my placement. When I was sent my contract they were demanding I come to South Korea a week earlier than I told them I was available, the contract was for an hourly rate which did not include housing, health insurance, or paid vacation days like the monthly salary did. In addition the contract had some shady wording in regards to payment:
The hourly rate for the Instructor�s services shall initially be set at TWENTY EIGHT THOUSAND (_28,000_) Korean Won, which shall be paid monthly only upon full completion of all duties and obligations arising from the applicable month. The Instructor shall be entitled to payment calculated on the hourly rate only for actual teaching hours but not for any other time spent in other any activities, including but not limited to time spent in preparing for or traveling to and from scheduled classes. The Company shall designate the teaching schedule and hours for the Instructor, but the total teaching hours shall not exceed One Hundred and Twenty (120) Hours per month unless the Instructor has consented to such.
Am I mistaken or does this give the school too much power? I flat out refused the contract I was given and they're currently coming up with a new one, but now I'm worried that if they're this disorganized before I even get there, how will it be once I'm in South Korea?
I searched google and could not find much information on CDI and Aclipse, what I did find was a mix of good and bad, and what I found on here was the same but it was also from about 2 or 3 years ago. So if anyone has any more recent info on the two it'd be greatly appreciated. Thank you. |
There's quite a lot been written about CDI over the years. Overwhelmingly it is negative. I worked for a company in Toronto a few years ago that verified the educational qualifications of potential CDI employees - they were either expanding at an exponential rate or the turnover was huge.
Additionally, a group I once saw on the internet (I won't say where, as you never know who is reading) for those who survived the initial (unpaid) training period had the word Mordor in it's title. I'll leave it up to you to take away from that what you will.
Finally (and this is anecdotal) I met a girl in a coffee shop back in the autumn who worked for CDI. She told me that the terms of the contract were altered upon her arrival, and she could do nothing but accept or resign, owe the school money for her flight over and have to pay for her flight back. She also told me that quite a few people were 'fired' during the initial training period...that'd be fun, wouldn't it, being stuck in Korea with no job after being here for such a short time.
Also, examine the clauses about pension payments and severance. Ask about how long those classes are going to be. Ask about the unpaid training period. Ask about the cameras in each classroom. Ask about staff retention. |
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Luciddreamer
Joined: 31 Mar 2009
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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I'm also waiting for my contract from CDI.
I thought that they offer an hourly plan as well as the salary plan and you get to pick one. |
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Tommy

Joined: 24 Aug 2005
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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| They altered documents (cut and past my signature) and submitted a different contract than the one we agreed upon to immigration. 'Nuff said. |
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Tribal
Joined: 27 Dec 2008
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Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 12:36 am Post subject: Re: Can anyone tell me about Aclipse/Chung Dahm Institute? |
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| bbrennan wrote: |
Backstory
I was going through Aclipse to teach in South Korea, everything was going fine until I sent in my materials to get a placement, the materials were sent in close to a month ago and I was supposed to receive a placement within two weeks, but it took them until this past week to send me my placement. When I was sent my contract they were demanding I come to South Korea a week earlier than I told them I was available, the contract was for an hourly rate which did not include housing, health insurance, or paid vacation days like the monthly salary did. In addition the contract had some shady wording in regards to payment:
The hourly rate for the Instructor�s services shall initially be set at TWENTY EIGHT THOUSAND (_28,000_) Korean Won, which shall be paid monthly only upon full completion of all duties and obligations arising from the applicable month. The Instructor shall be entitled to payment calculated on the hourly rate only for actual teaching hours but not for any other time spent in other any activities, including but not limited to time spent in preparing for or traveling to and from scheduled classes. The Company shall designate the teaching schedule and hours for the Instructor, but the total teaching hours shall not exceed One Hundred and Twenty (120) Hours per month unless the Instructor has consented to such.
Am I mistaken or does this give the school too much power? I flat out refused the contract I was given and they're currently coming up with a new one, but now I'm worried that if they're this disorganized before I even get there, how will it be once I'm in South Korea?
I searched google and could not find much information on CDI and Aclipse, what I did find was a mix of good and bad, and what I found on here was the same but it was also from about 2 or 3 years ago. So if anyone has any more recent info on the two it'd be greatly appreciated. Thank you. |
Just curious, what terms do you think give them too much power? Because reading over this, I don't see how it's shady. What do they do but tell you in so many words that you only get paid to teach? I mean how many places pay you to prep? And so what if you waste some time in meetings, if you're taking in 3-5 mil per month?
Other than that they state that they'll make the schedule; and they cap the number of hours you must work. Not exactly onerous. As far as the pros and cons of the hourly, it's been talked about in depth on the other postings. Personally, I find the hourly a very good way to go, despite the lack of vacation time (health care is very cheap and getting a school provided "studio" is not desirable).
And as far as them being unorganized goes, I think they should be cut some slack. The visa process is is torturously slow and dependent upon the whims of Immigration. Add schools changing their requisitions and teachers vacillating about when or if to leave, and you have an imperfect situation.
Anyway, tough times out there. I have to imagine that places like CDI are getting lots of applications these days... |
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enns
Joined: 02 May 2006
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Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 1:28 am Post subject: |
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| Yeah, I imagine a lot of apps. A 2.0 public school offer doesn't look pretty with a 1400 won exchange rate. |
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anynag
Joined: 01 Jan 2009
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Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 1:41 am Post subject: |
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| Tommy wrote: |
| They altered documents (cut and past my signature) and submitted a different contract than the one we agreed upon to immigration. 'Nuff said. |
You may want to name the school or branch that pulled this. Big chains like CDI and YBM encompass the entire spectrum of work experiences, specific to each location, and it's important for prospective teachers to be able to make an informed decision based on each school's reputation. |
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linky123
Joined: 12 Feb 2009
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Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 1:44 am Post subject: |
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| Except for the unnecessaraly stressful intensive traing, the Chung Dahm experience has been awesome. I wouldn't want to work anywhere else. |
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Tommy

Joined: 24 Aug 2005
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Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Tommy wrote: |
| They altered documents (cut and past my signature) and submitted a different contract than the one we agreed upon to immigration. 'Nuff said. |
You may want to name the school or branch that pulled this. Big chains like CDI and YBM encompass the entire spectrum of work experiences, specific to each location, and it's important for prospective teachers to be able to make an informed decision based on each school's reputation. |
Sure thing, it was the main branch. Head office actually. It's a good thing they're setting an example for the rest of the branches and franchises.  |
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anynag
Joined: 01 Jan 2009
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Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks for the information, Tommy. At least you have a direct negative experience from which to base your opinion. Posters on CDI threads on here seem to be quite polarized, either totally for CDI or totally against it, even though many of these people don't have any firsthand dealings with the company. |
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Golem
Joined: 18 Jun 2008 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 12:05 am Post subject: |
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| I have had first hand dealings and no one I know who has had negative experiences. I had one negative experience with the recruiters but my working experience as a whole was fantastic. |
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bbrennan
Joined: 07 Apr 2009
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Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:02 am Post subject: |
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The problem with the contract is this line mostly:
The hourly rate for the Instructor�s services shall initially be set at TWENTY EIGHT THOUSAND (_28,000_) Korean Won, which shall be paid monthly only upon full completion of all duties and obligations arising from the applicable month.
I interpret this as them saying they can just not pay me for a month's worth of work if they don't feel all duties and obligations were completed.
Also unhappy that they can just spring unpaid training on me out of nowhere above and beyond that first week, and the fact that I'm REQUIRED to arrive 30 minutes early but won't be paid for those 30 minutes. |
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Tribal
Joined: 27 Dec 2008
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Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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| bbrennan wrote: |
The problem with the contract is this line mostly:
The hourly rate for the Instructor�s services shall initially be set at TWENTY EIGHT THOUSAND (_28,000_) Korean Won, which shall be paid monthly only upon full completion of all duties and obligations arising from the applicable month.
I interpret this as them saying they can just not pay me for a month's worth of work if they don't feel all duties and obligations were completed.
Also unhappy that they can just spring unpaid training on me out of nowhere above and beyond that first week, and the fact that I'm REQUIRED to arrive 30 minutes early but won't be paid for those 30 minutes. |
Yea I hear what you're saying, but just because some person owns a gun doesn't mean they have to shoot it at someone. In other words, there's always a chance that you'll be working for a tyrant director who pushes the envelope on what is really pretty standard language.
But IF that happens, whether they're simply abusing the non-teaching work you're doing for them, or you refuse the extra work and they withhold pay - you take it to the labor board. Hell, I can recommend a good Korean labor law attorney if you ever actually need one.
I think that's one good reason to work for a publicly traded company - defending legal actions looks bad on quarterly reports. But there are often gray areas of the law, and although it's possible to bring greater detail to the language, I'm guessing it's not really practical on CDI's end (meetings tend to be ad hoc). Sure, I think it'd be nice to be paid for subsequent training, but if I can pull in 3-5m+ won on any given month, I'll do what I gotta do. Up to a point.
Good luck and let us know how it works out for you. |
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Tribal
Joined: 27 Dec 2008
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Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Tommy wrote: |
| anynag wrote: |
| Tommy wrote: |
| They altered documents (cut and past my signature) and submitted a different contract than the one we agreed upon to immigration. 'Nuff said. |
You may want to name the school or branch that pulled this. Big chains like CDI and YBM encompass the entire spectrum of work experiences, specific to each location, and it's important for prospective teachers to be able to make an informed decision based on each school's reputation. |
Sure thing, it was the main branch. Head office actually. It's a good thing they're setting an example for the rest of the branches and franchises.  |
Wow, that's pretty blatant. What terms did they change? Or did they switch the type of contract? Did you do anything about it? Email records are a good way of disproving something like that. |
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