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mishlert
Joined: 13 Mar 2003
Location: On the 3rd rock from the sun
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 Posted: Sat May 09, 2009 7:58 pm Post subject: Korea is Number 1 |
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when it comes to average download speed world wide:
Top Countries by Download Speed
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* 1. 17.83 Mb/s Korea, Republic of
* 2. 16.07 Mb/s Japan
* 3. 11.55 Mb/s Sweden
* 4. 11.28 Mb/s Lithuania
* 5. 10.33 Mb/s Romania
* 6. 10.11 Mb/s Latvia
* 7. 9.40 Mb/s Bulgaria
* 8. 8.97 Mb/s Netherlands
* 9. 7.59 Mb/s Germany
* 10. 7.39 Mb/s Russian Federation
* 11. 7.26 Mb/s Moldova, Republic of
* 12. 7.23 Mb/s Slovakia
* 13. 7.15 Mb/s Switzerland
* 14. 7.04 Mb/s Finland
* 15. 6.98 Mb/s Denmark |
http://www.speedtest.net/global.php
What is interesting about this list is that the U.S is not on it.
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skconqueror
Joined: 31 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Sat May 09, 2009 9:22 pm Post subject: Re: Korea is Number 1 |
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| mishlert wrote: |
What is interesting about this list is that the U.S is on it. |
umm where? |
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Blueberry
Joined: 15 Apr 2009
Location: Wonju
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| Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 5:45 am Post subject: |
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| Definitely not #1 in Smartphone/iPhone availability. |
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Demonicat
Joined: 18 Nov 2004
Location: Suwon
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| Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 6:31 am Post subject: |
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| the us has pitiful IT infrastructure, its one of the things Obama wants to fix. |
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superacidjax
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Demonicat wrote: |
| the us has pitiful IT infrastructure, its one of the things Obama wants to fix. |
Right. He also said 95% of Americans are getting a tax cut.
If Americans want ultrafast internet speeds, they are available, you just have to pay more for it. The reason that our speeds are lower isn't that they are physically slower, it's that most people want to pay less so they don't subscribe to the fastest services. You can get 10 mb/s download speed internet in most major markets. It's interesting that the Russian federation is listed on the list.. Ever tried to connect to the internet from Novosibirsk, Russia? Good luck getting 7.39 Mb/s! Except for Russia (whose number is only based on internet speeds from actual available connections which are relatively few per capita, all the other countries listed are very small. You can physically run fiber optic from one end of Korea to another without much trouble. Try running fiber optic in the US coast to coast.. it's a much bigger deal.. Notice, China, India, Brazil, Canada are also not on the list..
I don't know why we have such "bad" infrastructure.. It isn't like we are the third largest country in the world by land area or anything..
Besides, our infrastructure ought to be great, after all, Al Gore invented the internet..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpxtKcLSFWw |
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asylum seeker
Joined: 22 Jul 2007
Location: On your computer screen.
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| Posted: Wed May 13, 2009 6:55 am Post subject: |
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| superacidjax wrote: |
| Demonicat wrote: |
| the us has pitiful IT infrastructure, its one of the things Obama wants to fix. |
Right. He also said 95% of Americans are getting a tax cut.
If Americans want ultrafast internet speeds, they are available, you just have to pay more for it. The reason that our speeds are lower isn't that they are physically slower, it's that most people want to pay less so they don't subscribe to the fastest services. You can get 10 mb/s download speed internet in most major markets. It's interesting that the Russian federation is listed on the list.. Ever tried to connect to the internet from Novosibirsk, Russia? Good luck getting 7.39 Mb/s! Except for Russia (whose number is only based on internet speeds from actual available connections which are relatively few per capita, all the other countries listed are very small. You can physically run fiber optic from one end of Korea to another without much trouble. Try running fiber optic in the US coast to coast.. it's a much bigger deal.. Notice, China, India, Brazil, Canada are also not on the list..
I don't know why we have such "bad" infrastructure.. It isn't like we are the third largest country in the world by land area or anything..
Besides, our infrastructure ought to be great, after all, Al Gore invented the internet..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpxtKcLSFWw |
It's OK. The US doesn't have to be number one in everything. |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Wed May 13, 2009 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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| superacidjax wrote: |
Al Gore invented the internet..
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No, he didn't. Vint Cerf would be a better guess, but then, he didn't make a movie, right?
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| The US doesn't have to be number one in everything. |
Agreed.  |
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DCJames
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Wed May 13, 2009 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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| The only thing America is Number 1 in is the number of people who say they're number 1. |
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swigs
Joined: 20 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 12:53 am Post subject: |
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Having fast internet connections is like building a highway with nowhere to go. Fast internet doesn't mean anything.
And actually the US does have a poor infrastructure compared to what it should be. Too many people say 'oh, it's such a big country', but that's no excuse. There should be more state rights so we lose that loser mentality of 'oh, it's such a big country', and actually start being more proactive in creating public transportation and a strong information network.
The suburbs are a complete waste of space, time, and money. Which make it hard to build good infrastructures around. If we were conserving more space by living closer to the major cities our public transportation and information network would be much stronger. |
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swigs
Joined: 20 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 12:55 am Post subject: |
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| DCJames wrote: |
| The only thing America is Number 1 in is the number of people who say they're number 1. |
Are you another Canadian taking advantage of America's language by using it to teach? Good for you.  |
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Hello
Joined: 25 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 3:09 am Post subject: |
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Something's wrong with my computer then, because I don't feel like I'm #1 for my downloads.  It can be awfully slow at times. |
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superacidjax
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 7:30 am Post subject: |
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| swigs wrote: |
| The suburbs are a complete waste of space, time, and money. Which make it hard to build good infrastructures around. If we were conserving more space by living closer to the major cities our public transportation and information network would be much stronger. |
I agree, but unless there's a voucher system for US schools, people are going to continue to flee to the suburbs because they don't want their kids getting assaulted or learning crack economics in inner city schools. Schools are one of the major reasons people flee to the suburbs. In Houston (where I'm originally from,) there are some really rich inner city neighborhoods, but of course, those parents can easily afford to send their little brats to private schools.
The only ones that really scream against vouchers are the US teachers' unions. The Democrats only pay lip service to opposing vouchers because of that stupid union. The Republicans have alway been for vouchers. It seems like both parties agree on it, except for that vocal minority within the teachers' unions. Voucher experiments have been tried in some seriously rough neighborhoods throughout the US and the mostly poor (and minority) residents loved it -- huge waiting lists, demand outstripped supply.
You get a good voucher system, you'll see a return to the core urban areas. Of course there is that other issue of land and homes being so expensive close to the city. In Houston, a nice 1 bedroom condo in a high-rise inner city goes for 160-220K. A new 3 bedroom townhouse in an average (not even great) area (inner city) goes for 300-550K. In the posh suburbs of The Woodlands, Kingwood and Clear Lake you can get a massive house for 300-550K, with a yard, good safe schools, much less noise, lower taxes (due to not having to pay high city utility taxes) and minimal crime and nearly zero violent crime.
I prefer the inner city myself, but I can understand why families want to move. It's not even so much a race-related thing anymore. As soon as black or hispanic families get enough money, they're moving to the suburbs too.
Schools are the key to re-urbanization. School choice is the key to the schools. I don't care how good an inner city school is, I wouldn't want my future kid to be sharing a classroom with gang members. With school choice, I would be able to afford to educate my kid in the way I saw fit as opposed to the way the government sees fit.
I know I drifted off topic a bit, but the previous poster brought up a good point about urbanization being a good thing for infrastructure. He's right, I just wanted to explain my opinion as to why re-urbanization isn't going to happen anytime soon. |
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swigs
Joined: 20 Apr 2008
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I agree completely with the problems you bring up, nicely stated.
I personally, when I go back to the states, will only live in the city that I work in, and never the burbs. I figure someone has to start moving back to the cities, might as well be me. Hopefully there will be a movement to move back towards the cities nationwide, and suburbs will become a forgotten way of the past. I'd rather have a small condo in a cool area of a city, than a large 5 bedroom house in the burbs with a long commute to the city.
When it comes time to start a family, I'll hope things will have gotten better by then and that I don't have to raise the kids in the burbs. Because I think the burbs can create cultural ignorance and dissonance, as it did for me and any other peer I knew growing up in the burbs. Why should we forfeit our cultural cities to gangs and violence? That's almost sadder than our dispersed infrastructure. |
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swigs
Joined: 20 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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Nothing scares me more than only having a Wal-mart, Mcdonalds, and (insert corporate pharmacy) in three mile radius from a house in the burbs.
Those are the worst parts about Suburban American cultural, and they are so prevalent, that it's hard to have competition in the burbs. Creating a stagnent monolithic consumer oriented culture.
Where are the museums, libraries, and parks in the burbs. Usually you have to drive miles away to them. Sad. Hope my kid will be able to walk to library or a museum.
But go internet! |
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hari seldon
Joined: 05 Dec 2004
Location: Incheon
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