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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 3:57 am Post subject: More Obama changes... |
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more he remains the same
Right-Wing Columnist Max Boot: Yes to Obama
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I am gobsmacked by these appointments, most of which could just as easily have come from a President McCain. |
Change Has Rarely Looked So Much Like Continuity.
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Mr. Bush wants U.S. troops to "return on success" in Iraq -- so does Mr. Obama. Mr. Bush supports a buildup in Afghanistan -- so does Mr. Obama. Mr. Bush wants a larger military -- so does Mr. Obama. Mr. Bush has launched raids against al Qaeda into the tribal areas of Pakistan -- Mr. Obama wants to do the same. Mr. Bush wants to close Guantanamo Bay, but has been bedeviled by the difficult choices inherent in its shuttering. |
Is the Antiwar Movement AWOL?
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What has escaped public notice is the almost complete disappearance of the peace movement and its absorption into the pro-war Democratic Party electoral machine of President-Elect Barack Obama. |
What Would MLK Have Done?
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Is this the "change" tens of millions voted for?. . . . Not change, and certainly not the legacy of Dr. King, whose mantle Barack Obama dons at every opportune moment. |
The "Wait 'Til He Gets In" Delusion
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For real and genuinely progressive recovery to occur, however, popular agency on the model of the recent factory occupation at Chicago's Republic Door and Window plant will be required, as in previous periods of reform. |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 9:28 am Post subject: |
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On the White House
The Words Have Changed, but Have the Policies?
By PETER BAKER
Published: April 2, 2009
WASHINGTON � When President Obama briefed Congressional leaders at the White House last week on his plans to send more troops to Afghanistan, Senator Harry Reid offered some advice: Whatever you do, he told the president, don�t call it a �surge.�
Not to worry. Mr. Obama didn�t and wouldn�t. The exchange, confirmed by people briefed on the discussion, underscored the sensitivity about language in the new era. Mr. Obama and his team are busily scrubbing President George W. Bush�s national security lexicon, if not necessarily all of his policies.
They may be sending 21,000 more troops to Afghanistan, much as Mr. Bush did to Iraq, but it is not a �surge.� They may still be holding people captured on the battlefield at the prison at Guant�namo Bay, Cuba, but they are no longer �enemy combatants.� They may be carrying the fight to Al Qaeda as their predecessors did, but they are no longer waging a �war on terror.�
So if not a war on terror, what then? �Overseas contingency operations.�
And terrorist attacks themselves? �Man-caused disasters.�
Every White House picks its words carefully, using poll-tested, focus-grouped language to frame issues and ideas to advance its goals. Mr. Bush�s team did that assertively. The initial legislation expanding government power after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, was the �U.S.A. Patriot Act.� The warrantless eavesdropping that became so controversial was rebranded the �Terrorist Surveillance Program.� The enemy was, for a time, dubbed �Islamofascism,� until that was deemed insensitive to Muslims.
Now Mr. Obama is coming into office determined to sweep all that rhetoric away, even if he is keeping much of the policy that underlies it. Aides argue that they are not trying to spin their priorities through words, only to excise the spin applied relentlessly by the Bush administration. But they are also trying to send a clear and unmistakable message that the old order is gone.
�You have to tell the American public and the world that there�s a new sheriff in town without opening up the jail and letting all the prisoners out,� said Matt Bennett, vice president of Third Way, a moderate Democratic advocacy group. �The changing of the way they talk is a low-risk way of purging some of the Bush-era stuff without doing any damage.�
Indeed, for all the shifting words, Mr. Obama has left the bulk of Mr. Bush�s national security architecture intact so far. He has made no move to revise the Patriot Act or the eavesdropping program. He has ordered Guant�namo to be closed in a year but has not turned loose all the prisoners. The troop buildup in Afghanistan resembles the one Mr. Bush ordered in Iraq two years ago.
In cautioning against the �surge� label, Mr. Reid clearly wanted to avoid associating the Obama strategy in Afghanistan with the Bush strategy in Iraq, a strategy that both he and the president opposed at the time. The two have never repudiated their opposition to the Iraq buildup, even though many now credit it with helping to stabilize the country. And any language suggesting parallels between the two approaches could aggravate the party�s liberal base, much of which is already suspicious of committing more forces to Afghanistan.
Gordon Johndroe, the last National Security Council spokesman for Mr. Bush, said he detected a great degree of overlap in actual policy between the two presidents that is not masked by different words. �A change in rhetoric is fine as long as they don�t lead people to believe the threat from violent extremists is over,� Mr. Johndroe said.
Obama advisers said they were not trying to de-emphasize the danger of extremism but to take the politics out of it. Janet Napolitano, the secretary of homeland security, used the term "terrorism" during her Senate confirmation testimony, but also referred to it as "man-caused disasters." She later said that it was a deliberate attempt to change the tone.
�That is perhaps only a nuance,� she told Der Spiegel, the German newsmagazine, �but it demonstrates that we want to move away from the politics of fear toward a policy of being prepared for all risks that can occur.�
But the risk, in the minds of some critics, is looking like the government no longer takes the dangers of the world seriously. �They seem more interested in the war on the English language than in what might be thought of as more pressing national security matters,� said Shannen W. Coffin, who served as counsel to former Vice President Dick Cheney. �An Orwellian euphemism or two will not change the fact that bad people want to kill us and destroy us as a free people.�
The White House dismisses such criticism, saying the president is not focused on wordsmithing national policy. �He�s far less concerned with� language, Robert Gibbs, the White House press secretary, told reporters last week, �and much more concerned with steps that he�s taken and that we need to take as a country to protect our citizens and to keep our homeland safe. And I think that�s what he�s focused on.�
Still, the degree to which the Obama team seems intent on distancing itself from any language associated with Mr. Bush has drawn ridicule even from the left. On �The Daily Show� on Tuesday night, Jon Stewart vigorously mocked the Obama administration after Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said �the administration has stopped using the phrase� war on terror.
Mr. Stewart showed repeated clips of Mr. Obama�s budget director, Peter R. Orszag, referring instead to �overseas contingency operations.�
�Yeah, that�ll catch on like Crystal Pepsi,� Mr. Stewart joked.
Summoning one of the most memorable moments of the Bush presidency, Mr. Stewart then showed a mocked up photograph of Mr. Obama in a pilot�s flight suit on the deck of an aircraft carrier under a banner proclaiming, �Redefinition Accomplished.� |
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3MB
Joined: 26 Mar 2009
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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Obama is the president of the United States and as such has to first serve the interests of the United States. Victory in Afghanistan is in the interest of the United States, as is a strong military. Closing of Guantanamo Bay isnt as easy as snapping your fingers. |
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3MB
Joined: 26 Mar 2009
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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Obama is the president of the United States and as such has to first serve the interests of the United States. Victory in Afghanistan is in the interest of the United States, as is a strong military. Closing of Guantanamo Bay isnt as easy as snapping your fingers. |
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RufusW
Joined: 14 Jun 2008 Location: Busan
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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Could Obama really just have withdrawn troops from Afghanistan? He's been forced into a continuation of Bush's policies (and regardless, people could argue Afghanistan is a 'correct' war to fight, in contrast to Iraq which wasn't). It is not necessarily pro-war, but pragmatic.
Obama's reducing military spending. Bush wanted to close Guantanamo after he set it up! Of course Obama wants success in Iraq. But would Obama react to 9/11 the way the Bush administration did? - the change we believe in is that he wouldn't. |
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roknroll

Joined: 29 Dec 2007
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 5:02 pm Post subject: Re: More Obama changes... |
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bacasper wrote: |
more he remains the same
Remains the same as what?
Right-Wing Columnist Max Boot: Yes to Obama
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I am gobsmacked by these appointments, most of which could just as easily have come from a President McCain. |
Jeez, that's all you could come up with? Come on, is this the harshest the far right has to say? Are they lying-in-wait?
Change Has Rarely Looked So Much Like Continuity.
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Mr. Bush wants U.S. troops to "return on success" in Iraq -- so does Mr. Obama. Mr. Bush supports a buildup in Afghanistan -- so does Mr. Obama. Mr. Bush wants a larger military -- so does Mr. Obama. Mr. Bush has launched raids against al Qaeda into the tribal areas of Pakistan -- Mr. Obama wants to do the same. Mr. Bush wants to close Guantanamo Bay, but has been bedeviled by the difficult choices inherent in its shuttering. |
Doesn't Obama want most of the troops to just die in Iraq? I'm not even American, but I'm aware that Obama had said there was TOO MUCH EMPHASIS PLACED ON IRAQ AND NOW---YES NOOOOW THAT BUSH HAS MADE IT THE BEDROCK--IT WON'T BE EASY TO PULL OUT, THOUGH HE HAS THE FORETHOUGHT TO MAKE AN EXIT STRATEGY (yeah, Bush was afraid to, after what his daddy did to the Iraqis after his promise, yet W, being the limp biscuit he is, still doesn't realize the battle cry he sends to the disavowed 'arab' world as well as the convenient justification to import terroists to combat American and allied troops---the very basis for invading was to 'wipe out' the terrorist threat. Obama has said he wanted to increase forces in Afghanistan and eventually withraw from Iraq, did he not?
Bush wanted to close Guantanamo? When? After he conveniently changed the definition of torture? And the hiring out of private contractors in a war zone who operated as they pleased and embarrassed the shiite out of the American military and gov't?
Is the Antiwar Movement AWOL?
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What has escaped public notice is the almost complete disappearance of the peace movement and its absorption into the pro-war Democratic Party electoral machine of President-Elect Barack Obama. |
What's it been now? Not even 3 MONTHS, and the talk is though it's been 3 years! Isn't that a bit embarrassing to you? Damn, just sitin aroun in dat dere whitey house, makin a lame ass of himself! I hate those conspiracy idiots who claim there's an international economic crisis goin on (yeah, dur gonna say it happen durin Ws time).
What Would MLK Have Done?
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Is this the "change" tens of millions voted for?. . . . Not change, and certainly not the legacy of Dr. King, whose mantle Barack Obama dons at every opportune moment. |
Is this the kind of expectation that Americans have, ya know the kind they expect in the movies....rambo/jack bauer......no one should be speaking for Dr. King, I'm sure he'd be giving breathing room given the early start under UNPRECEDENTED times in the White House. Oh yeah, way to go on NOT referencing the speaker, but hey we're jus dum ole country folk n believe whatever's in dat dere riting>
The "Wait 'Til He Gets In" Delusion
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For real and genuinely progressive recovery to occur, however, popular agency on the model of the recent factory occupation at Chicago's Republic Door and Window plant will be required, as in previous periods of reform. |
This means shiite with no context/source. Hmm, door and window plant, didn't know that's the heart and soul of America....lol |
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Kuros
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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RufusW wrote: |
Obama's reducing military spending. |
Yeah, a whopping $9 billion savings!
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The proposed overall fiscal year 2010 Defense Department budget is almost $534 billion, or nearly $664 billion when including the costs of the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan. The current Pentagon budget totals slightly over $513 billion, or almost $655 billion including the Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts. |
Great, now we can give that money to . . . GM?  |
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RufusW
Joined: 14 Jun 2008 Location: Busan
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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Kuros wrote: |
RufusW wrote: |
Obama's reducing military spending. |
Yeah, a whopping $9 billion savings!
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I believe Bush increased military spending year on year. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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Obama's reducing military spending. |
I agree with the main thrust of the OP's post, but would say that 'rearranging military expenses' is a more accurate description of Obama's policy. We're in the middle of two wars, so a significant overall reduction would be very hard to pull off. |
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harlowethrombey

Joined: 17 Mar 2009 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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Continuing the wire-tapping.
Major, major BS.
And for a guy who taught Constitutional Law its mind-boggling how he could even begin to justify this. |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 1:34 am Post subject: |
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RufusW wrote: |
Kuros wrote: |
RufusW wrote: |
Obama's reducing military spending. |
Yeah, a whopping $9 billion savings!
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I believe Bush increased military spending year on year. |
Newsflash, guys. In yet another "change" - NOT - Obama is NOT reducing military spending but INCREASING it.
Billions More in War Spending
How Many Democrats Will Stand Up Against Obama's Bloated Military Budget?
By JEREMY SCAHILL
Much of the media attention this week on President Obama�s new military budget has put forward a false narrative wherein Obama is somehow taking his socialist/pacifist sledgehammer to the Pentagon�s war machine and blasting it to smithereens. Republicans have charged that Obama is endangering the country�s security, while the Democratic leadership has hailed it as the dawn of a new era in responsible spending priorities. Part of this narrative portrays Defense Secretary Robert Gates as standing up to the war industry, particularly military contractors.
The reality is that all of this is false.
Here is an undeniable fact: Obama is substantially increasing US military spending, by at least $21 billion from Bush-era levels, including a significant ratcheting up of Afghanistan war spending, as well as more money for unmanned attack drones, which are increasingly being used in attacks on Pakistan. (David Swanson over at AfterDowningStreet.org does a great job of breaking down some of the media coverage of this issue across the political spectrum).
Obama�s budget of $534 billion to the Department of Defense �represents roughly a 4-percent increase over the $513 billion allocated to the Pentagon in FY2009 under the Bush administration, and $6.7 billion more than the outgoing administration�s projections for FY 2010,� bragged Lawrence Korb, author of the Center for American Progress� report supporting Obama�s escalation of the war in Afghanistan, in an article called, � Obama�s Defense Budget Is on Target.�
Obama and his neoliberal think tankers clearly didn�t think much of Rep. Barney Frank�s call earlier this year to cut military spending by 25% to pay for urgently needed social programs and economic aid to struggling Americans. �To accomplish his goals of expanding health care and other important quality of life services without ballooning the deficit,� Frank said, Obama needed to reduce military spending. �If we do not get military spending under control, we will not be able to respond to important domestic needs.� Well, not only is overall military spending on the rise, but Obama is about to ask for billions more for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan in a �supplemental� spending bill, the type which were staples in Bush�s campaign to mask of the full military budget and total cost of the wars. Obama could seek the funding as early as Thursday.
Now, the Wall Street Journal is reporting that we may actually see some spine coming from Congress in standing up to Obama�s request for this additional $75.5 billion in war funds. The WSJ characterized the situation as one of �raising tensions� between Obama and some lawmakers opposed to the wars. It should be noted off-the-bat that the Congresspeople speaking out are, predictably, members of the usual suspects club and the Democratic leadership is probably at this moment sharing cocktails in the backroom with McCain and McConnell, but, nonetheless, it is worth examining what is being said:
�I can�t imagine any way I�d vote for it,� said Rep. Lynn Woolsey, a California Democrat and leader in the 77-member congressional Progressive Caucus. It would be her first major break with this White House.
Ms. Woolsey fears the president�s plan for Iraq would leave behind a big occupation force. She is also concerned about the planned escalation in Afghanistan. �I don�t think we should be going there,� she said.
Similar sentiments echo across the House. Rep. Jim McGovern (D., Mass.) said he fears Afghanistan could become a quagmire. �I just have this sinking feeling that we�re getting deeper and deeper into a war that has no end,� he said.
Rep. John Conyers (D., Mich.) dismissed Mr. Obama�s plans as �embarrassingly naive,� and suggested that the president is being led astray by those around him. �He�s the smartest man in American politics today,� Rep. Conyers said. �But he occasionally gets bad advice and makes mistakes. This is one of those instances.�
Obama has vowed to break with the Bush-era tradition of seeking such supplementals to fund the war, saying that beginning in 2010 he will fund the wars as part of his overall budget. The anti-war caucus of Democrats is unlikely to have enough votes to block it given the increasingly overt pro-war nature of the Democratic leadership. And, as the WSJ notes, the funding bills are likely to pass �since many Republicans will support them.�
An interesting point nestled half-way through the WSJ piece illustrates a point some antiwar activists have been making since Obama�s election�he is likely to win increased support from Democratic lawmakers for wars they may not have supported when Bush was in power:
The president argues that Afghanistan has been neglected, allowing al Qaeda to regroup and exposing the U.S. to new dangers.
Rep. John Larson (D., Conn.) suggests Democrats may be less inclined to joust with the current White House on the issue than they were with former President George W. Bush. �We have somebody that Democrats feel will level with them,� said Mr. Larson, the House�s fourth-ranking Democrat.
This truly is one of the most important trends to watch with the Obama presidency, particularly as it relates to war policy. Obama is in a position to greatly advance the interests of empire, precisely because he is able to build much wider support for policies that are essentially a continuation of those implemented by Bush.
Jeremy Scahill, an independent journalist who reports frequently for the national radio and TV program Democracy Now, has spent extensive time reporting from Iraq and Yugoslavia. He is currently a Puffin Writing Fellow at The Nation Institute. Scahill is the author of Blackwater: The Rise of the World's Most Powerful Mercenary Army.His new website is RebelReports.com |
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Tiger Beer

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Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 1:42 am Post subject: |
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I think the biggest problem is that rightwing propoganda kept telling us that Obama was against the war in Terror or going to pull troops out of Afghanistan.
There was NEVER any intention whatsoever to do either...during the campaign, those things were NEVER under question.
Uggh...rightwing media...people not only believed ringwing media's intended negative spin, but actually thought that garbage was true, and voted for Obama TO do stuff that he never promised. Those were ONLY rightwing SCARE tactics, with zero grounding in anything he really said.
If people didn't want a War on Terror or to be in Afghanistan, you SHOULD HAVE turned OFF rightwing media sources, and listened to the candidates to get real facts...and supported Kucinich or someone like that who actually did want what you wanted. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 1:44 am Post subject: |
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In yet another "change" - NOT - Obama is NOT reducing military spending but INCREASING it. |
This cannot be true. There are far too many reports of Republicans saying Obama is 'gutting' defense spending--not just individual programs, but overall spending. |
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bacasper

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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 7:45 am Post subject: |
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Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
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In yet another "change" - NOT - Obama is NOT reducing military spending but INCREASING it. |
This cannot be true. There are far too many reports of Republicans saying Obama is 'gutting' defense spending--not just individual programs, but overall spending. |
I suggest instead of your trusty "reports,' you go by the actual facts and figures.
Read what you missed the first time, then carry on with your tunnel vision.
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Obama�s budget of $534 billion to the Department of Defense �represents roughly a 4-percent increase over the $513 billion allocated to the Pentagon in FY2009 under the Bush administration, and $6.7 billion more than the outgoing administration�s projections for FY 2010,� bragged Lawrence Korb, author of the Center for American Progress� report supporting Obama�s escalation of the war in Afghanistan, in an article called, � Obama�s Defense Budget Is on Target.� |
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