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nene

Joined: 11 Jun 2005 Location: Samcheok, Gangwon-do
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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 7:01 pm Post subject: Lots of students with cleft lip/pallet |
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I've just noticed that a lot of my students have what look to be scars from cleft lip surgeries. The normal rate is 1 in 600-800, and my school is 450 students, so there's definitely something abnormal going on. Has anyone else noticed this? I'm wondering if it might be genetically prevalent amongst Koreans, or if it might be something environmental in this old coal mining town. Anyone know anything? |
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oldfatfarang
Joined: 19 May 2005 Location: On the road to somewhere.
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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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Hmmmmmm ... could be the Hermit Kingdom Sydrome? |
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Xuanzang

Joined: 10 Apr 2007 Location: Sadang
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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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i hope it's not from their pure bloodlines |
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ekul

Joined: 04 Mar 2009 Location: [Mod Edit]
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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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I've noticed several cleft pallets also yet I only knew one kid that had it when I was growing up. Very strange. |
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samcheokguy

Joined: 02 Nov 2008 Location: Samcheok G-do
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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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I think in the US most surgeons are aware of the risks of scars, and know what they are doing, as opposed to some country folks who just want the darn thing sewed up as soon as possible. |
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loggerhead007
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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Genetic pureness so thin you could step in it and not get your feet wet.
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Geckoman
Joined: 07 Jun 2007
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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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Inbreeding causes a lot of bad things. The more diverse the gene pool, the better.
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jvalmer

Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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I've only seen one in my 5 years here. |
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roadwork
Joined: 24 Nov 2008 Location: Goin' up the country
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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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jvalmer wrote: |
I've only seen one in my 5 years here. |
Yeah. This year I have my first student with a cleft lip/palette and I've been all over since 2003. Her English pronunciation doesn't seem affected by it at all. |
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Blueberry
Joined: 15 Apr 2009 Location: Wonju
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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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loggerhead007 wrote: |
Genetic pureness so thin you could step in it and not get your feet wet.
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you mean "feet webbed?" |
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Lynns
Joined: 19 Mar 2006 Location: Korea
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Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 2:40 am Post subject: |
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The incidence of cleft lip and cleft palate is highest among far East Asians, Koreans, Chinese and Japanese, also Filipinos and Amerindians (North and South America).
Several children in a school of only 450 is a pretty high incidence. It runs in families, though, so if some of those kids are siblings that could explain it. Clefting can also be caused by environmental factors. A low-folate diet is one known cause.
It's nothing to do with the doctors. Country doctors don't do these surgeries. Korea has world-class craniofacial surgeons and cleft lip clinics at all the top medical centers throughout the country. This is a medical specialty where Koreans excel. |
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wylies99

Joined: 13 May 2006 Location: I'm one cool cat!
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Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 2:45 am Post subject: |
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ekul wrote: |
I've noticed several cleft pallets also yet I only knew one kid that had it when I was growing up. Very strange. |
I've seen it, too. |
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Ultimo Hombre
Joined: 13 Oct 2008 Location: BEER STORE
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Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 2:47 am Post subject: |
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So is Korea the backwoods folk of Asia? |
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madoka

Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 9:56 am Post subject: |
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Xuanzang wrote: |
i hope it's not from their pure bloodlines |
Sorry to interupt your Korea bashing, but the rates of cleft lip and palate is:
Koreans: 0.65/1000
Caucasians: 1.43/1000 to 1.86/1000
Native Americans: 3.74/1000
Japanese: 0.82/1000 to 3.36/1000
Chinese: 1.45/1000 to 4.04/1000
Africans: 0.18/1000 to 1.67/1000
Latin Americans: 1.04/1000
Though there are no exact figures due to sample selection, these are the best approximations. |
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jkelly80

Joined: 13 Jun 2007 Location: you boys like mexico?
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Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:03 am Post subject: |
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This is a cheap dig on koreans. |
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