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jdog2050
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tomato
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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God tried three times to create a perfect family, and God never fails on the third attempt.
The first time was when God delivered Adam.
That attempt failed because Adam listened to Eve.
The second time was when God delivered Jesus.
That attempt failed because Joseph was never convinced that Jesus was not an illegitimate child.
(The Gospel of Matthew says differently, but what did Matthew know?)
Consequently, Jesus never married and created a perfect family.
Furthermore, Jesus' mission had to be limited to shallow parables, as opposed to the profundities which are now being revealed by Reverend Moon.
The third time was when God delivered Reverend Moon.
Not only does Reverend Moon have a True Family, or a family totally cleansed of sin, but so do the True Fathers and True Mothers who are matched at the mass weddings, and who will bring True Children into this world.
I wish I could remember the title of a book which was written by a Korean woman who was married to Reverend Moon's son.
She was the envy of all the other girls in the cult.
She was chosen for the honor, however, because her father was a business tycoon who donated a major share of his earnings to the Moonie cult.
One night, while her husband was out on one of his regular self-indulgences, she got fed up with his alcohol addiction, his drug addiction, and his violent outbursts.
She escaped with the children to a women's shelter and never had anything to do with him again.
Some True Family! |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Reverend? I thought his preferred title these days was King of the Universe. |
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tzechuk
Joined: 20 Dec 2004
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| I knew someone who is a Moonie and she kept telling me they (the Church) are *misunderstood*. |
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Ukon
Joined: 29 Jan 2008
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| I wonder where all the moonie churches are? Do they head to that big ass church every sunday?...I know they switched from the cross to the "crown" symbol, but I haven't seen one crown church....maybe that book killed the cult. |
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justaguy
Joined: 01 Jan 2008
Location: seoul
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| Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 6:46 am Post subject: |
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| tzechuk wrote: |
| I knew someone who is a Moonie and she kept telling me they (the Church) are *misunderstood*. |
I knew a few Moonies. They were perfectly nice people. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 8:03 am Post subject: |
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| tzechuk wrote: |
| I knew someone who is a Moonie and she kept telling me they (the Church) are *misunderstood*. |
Yeah, everyone has this strange belief that Moon is not Lord of All Existence, Son of God. |
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Olivencia
Joined: 08 Mar 2009
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The name of the book is "In the Shadow of the Moons: My Life in the Reverand Sun Myung Moon's Family" by Nansook Hong.
I read it several years back and from what I remember it was a good read. |
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roadwork
Joined: 24 Nov 2008
Location: Goin' up the country
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| Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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| tzechuk wrote: |
| I knew someone who is a Moonie and she kept telling me they (the Church) are *misunderstood*. |
Yeah, sounds like talking to a Mor(m)on.  |
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jdog2050
Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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| tomato wrote: |
God tried three times to create a perfect family, and God never fails on the third attempt.
The first time was when God delivered Adam.
That attempt failed because Adam listened to Eve.
The second time was when God delivered Jesus.
That attempt failed because Joseph was never convinced that Jesus was not an illegitimate child.
(The Gospel of Matthew says differently, but what did Matthew know?)
Consequently, Jesus never married and created a perfect family.
Furthermore, Jesus' mission had to be limited to shallow parables, as opposed to the profundities which are now being revealed by Reverend Moon.
The third time was when God delivered Reverend Moon.
Not only does Reverend Moon have a True Family, or a family totally cleansed of sin, but so do the True Fathers and True Mothers who are matched at the mass weddings, and who will bring True Children into this world.
I wish I could remember the title of a book which was written by a Korean woman who was married to Reverend Moon's son.
She was the envy of all the other girls in the cult.
She was chosen for the honor, however, because her father was a business tycoon who donated a major share of his earnings to the Moonie cult.
One night, while her husband was out on one of his regular self-indulgences, she got fed up with his alcohol addiction, his drug addiction, and his violent outbursts.
She escaped with the children to a women's shelter and never had anything to do with him again.
Some True Family! |
It's called "In the Shadow of the Moons".
It's horrifying. It's like the worst things you've ever heard about a Korean family magnified by millions of dollars. |
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Aelric
Joined: 02 Mar 2009
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| Ukon wrote: |
| I wonder where all the moonie churches are? Do they head to that big ass church every sunday?...I know they switched from the cross to the "crown" symbol, but I haven't seen one crown church....maybe that book killed the cult. |
When I was a young man of 5 or so living in Crestline, CA, which is in the San Bernardino mountains, We lived out in the woods. There were a few houses around and We were on a real street, but if you followed it about a quarter mile down, It became a dirt road and stretched out into the forest. One day while exploring after school as kids tend to do, I walked down that road about a mile and came across a church. I heard singing inside, but there were no cars around. I didn't stick around and later, when I got home, I discovered that my Dad had gone out searching for me and my Mom was flipping the hell out. A neighbor kid saw me go down that road and told my folks and so my folks thought I was going to get kidnapped by the church members. They kept calling the church a "moonie" church and said I should never go their again. I didn't know until much later what a Moonie was.
So, to answer your question, the churches are out in the woods where folks don't usually go, out of site. They are apparently live-in situations and I rarely saw cars go down or come from that dirt road. It's all very classic cult style, or at least the one I saw was.
Upon revisiting my old stomping grounds as an adult a few summers ago, I found the church had been burned down to the foundation. The gossip was that they set the fire themselves and two folks died inside. True or not, Moonies seem like bad news. |
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jdog2050
Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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| Aelric wrote: |
| Ukon wrote: |
| I wonder where all the moonie churches are? Do they head to that big ass church every sunday?...I know they switched from the cross to the "crown" symbol, but I haven't seen one crown church....maybe that book killed the cult. |
When I was a young man of 5 or so living in Crestline, CA, which is in the San Bernardino mountains, We lived out in the woods. There were a few houses around and We were on a real street, but if you followed it about a quarter mile down, It became a dirt road and stretched out into the forest. One day while exploring after school as kids tend to do, I walked down that road about a mile and came across a church. I heard singing inside, but there were no cars around. I didn't stick around and later, when I got home, I discovered that my Dad had gone out searching for me and my Mom was flipping the hell out. A neighbor kid saw me go down that road and told my folks and so my folks thought I was going to get kidnapped by the church members. They kept calling the church a "moonie" church and said I should never go their again. I didn't know until much later what a Moonie was.
So, to answer your question, the churches are out in the woods where folks don't usually go, out of site. They are apparently live-in situations and I rarely saw cars go down or come from that dirt road. It's all very classic cult style, or at least the one I saw was.
Upon revisiting my old stomping grounds as an adult a few summers ago, I found the church had been burned down to the foundation. The gossip was that they set the fire themselves and two folks died inside. True or not, Moonies seem like bad news. |
Damn. |
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tomato
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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| tzechuk wrote: |
| I knew someone who is a Moonie and she kept telling me they (the Church) are *misunderstood*. |
That's a dandy all-purpose unfalsifiable hypothesis.
Roadwork gave us another example.
Here's a third example:
On another thread, I was arguing with a Hare Krishna about Evolution and Creationism.
According to him, all of life was created at the very beginning.
I asked him where were all the pre-Ordivician fish, pre-Devonian amphibians, pre-Pennsylvanian reptiles, and pre-Tertiary mammals which archeologists say they can't find.
He said that I wouldn't understand, because it would take spiritual wisdom to understand that, and materialistic people like me don't possess spiritual wisdom.
Here's a fourth example:
I told one of my former employers that the Korean method of foreign language education stinks to high heaven.
She told me that I didn't understand the Korean system.
I said, "You're right, I don't."
| Olivencia wrote: |
The name of the book is "In the Shadow of the Moons: My Life in the Reverand Sun Myung Moon's Family" by Nansook Hong.
I read it several years back and from what I remember it was a good read. |
Thanks!
I've been wanting to write a report for the Amazon site.
Jdog, you started a heck of a good thread.
I hope this thread goes on for several months. |
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tomato
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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jdog2050
Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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Wow, reading some of the 1 and 2 star reviews was really pathetic. These people are having a mental schism and it's truly sad.
"8 of 13 people found the following review helpful:
An insiders view, August 30, 1998
By A Customer
The book is a mostly factual account of Nan-Sook Hong's life in the early Unification Church and later as the wife of Hyo-Jin Moon, the son of the founders. I know the same house and the same people she mentions in the book for more than 20 years. My emotion at the end of the book was profound sadness, because tragically the stories she relates about her husband are mostly true.
There are unfortunately other tragidies. Contrary to her conclusion that she is getting over it and getting on with her life Ms. Hongs book itself is evidence that she is living as much in the past as in the future.
Like others who have made being against the Unification Church a Cottage Industry she still makes money because of her connection to the church whether it is her settlement of well over $150,000 a year she receives or other income from royalties and speaches. If she was totally candid she would have mentioned this.
Also the book would have been more credible if she explained why so many join and remain members of the Unification Church.
I know Rev and Mrs Moon and Hyo-Jin personally. I have received the scoldings like she received and have even physically confronted Hyo-Jin.
Hyo-Jin has serious problems and the worst tragedy of the book is that Nan-Sook failed to understand that his parents have suffered as much as she did." |
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