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jhuntingtonus



Joined: 09 Dec 2008
Location: Jeonju

PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 5:34 am    Post subject: Two Contract Questions Reply with quote

I am on the verge of getting two job offers in different public school systems that use what looks to me like a standard contract, identical to each other or nearly so. I have two areas of concern about it:

1. Although it will pay me 20,000 won extra per class, it also says they can require me to work extra hours for 6,000 won apiece. Does this materialize into a real problem? I wouldn't mind getting that to monitor an occasional study hall or something like that, but as written they could ask me to do about anything for that low amount... except teach.

2. It says I cannot work in any other jobs, even part-time. In real life, does that preclude giving private lessons on the side? If so, then why do so many teachers have them? If not, is it technically against the rules (in which case I'd better not advertise my services where my management can see it), or is it overtly allowed? How much are they actually likely to care, if it doesn't affect my attendance or performance?

Thanks again!
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Otherside



Joined: 06 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 5:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. The 6000 won overtime rate is for work that is outside teaching. In almost all cases, this would most likely be for extra lesson prep (i.e. a special demo class coming up etc). However, it is VERY VERY seldom used, almost to the point of being a non-entity (I know NO ONE personally who this has effected)

2. You can't work other jobs without the school's permission. In real-life, private lessons are illegal ( according to the law, not the contract) and if caught you could face a fine and/or deportation. Working a second job (i.e. at another school etc) is ONLY legal if you permission from Immigration and the school.

"How much are the likely to care if it doesn't affect my attendance of performance"

They will be pretty unhappy when their English teacher gets deported.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 6:01 am    Post subject: Re: Two Contract Questions Reply with quote

jhuntingtonus wrote:
I am on the verge of getting two job offers in different public school systems that use what looks to me like a standard contract, identical to each other or nearly so. I have two areas of concern about it:

1. Although it will pay me 20,000 won extra per class, it also says they can require me to work extra hours for 6,000 won apiece. Does this materialize into a real problem? I wouldn't mind getting that to monitor an occasional study hall or something like that, but as written they could ask me to do about anything for that low amount... except teach.

2. It says I cannot work in any other jobs, even part-time. In real life, does that preclude giving private lessons on the side? If so, then why do so many teachers have them? If not, is it technically against the rules (in which case I'd better not advertise my services where my management can see it), or is it overtly allowed? How much are they actually likely to care, if it doesn't affect my attendance or performance?

Thanks again!


1. non issue really. It would be if you did an overnight camp or field trip.

2. Under the terms of your visa (immigration issue) you are NOT legally allowed a 2nd job without the blessing and APPROVAL IN ADVANCE from immigration (and that includes private lessons).

sub to "2" - it is illegal for ANY public school teacher / civil servant to take a 2nd job in Korea (civil service act).

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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 6:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Two Contract Questions Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:
jhuntingtonus wrote:
I am on the verge of getting two job offers in different public school systems that use what looks to me like a standard contract, identical to each other or nearly so. I have two areas of concern about it:

1. Although it will pay me 20,000 won extra per class, it also says they can require me to work extra hours for 6,000 won apiece. Does this materialize into a real problem? I wouldn't mind getting that to monitor an occasional study hall or something like that, but as written they could ask me to do about anything for that low amount... except teach.

2. It says I cannot work in any other jobs, even part-time. In real life, does that preclude giving private lessons on the side? If so, then why do so many teachers have them? If not, is it technically against the rules (in which case I'd better not advertise my services where my management can see it), or is it overtly allowed? How much are they actually likely to care, if it doesn't affect my attendance or performance?

Thanks again!


1. non issue really. It would be if you did an overnight camp or field trip.

2. Under the terms of your visa (immigration issue) you are NOT legally allowed a 2nd job without the blessing and APPROVAL IN ADVANCE from immigration (and that includes private lessons).

sub to "2" - it is illegal for ANY public school teacher / civil servant to take a 2nd job in Korea (civil service act).

.


Actually if you are a public school teacher you can work 2 or more PUBLIC SCHOOL jobs without Immigration permission.
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jhuntingtonus



Joined: 09 Dec 2008
Location: Jeonju

PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 9:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Two Contract Questions Reply with quote

TheUrbanMyth wrote:
ttompatz wrote:
jhuntingtonus wrote:
I am on the verge of getting two job offers in different public school systems that use what looks to me like a standard contract, identical to each other or nearly so. I have two areas of concern about it:

1. Although it will pay me 20,000 won extra per class, it also says they can require me to work extra hours for 6,000 won apiece. Does this materialize into a real problem? I wouldn't mind getting that to monitor an occasional study hall or something like that, but as written they could ask me to do about anything for that low amount... except teach.

2. It says I cannot work in any other jobs, even part-time. In real life, does that preclude giving private lessons on the side? If so, then why do so many teachers have them? If not, is it technically against the rules (in which case I'd better not advertise my services where my management can see it), or is it overtly allowed? How much are they actually likely to care, if it doesn't affect my attendance or performance?

Thanks again!


1. non issue really. It would be if you did an overnight camp or field trip.

2. Under the terms of your visa (immigration issue) you are NOT legally allowed a 2nd job without the blessing and APPROVAL IN ADVANCE from immigration (and that includes private lessons).

sub to "2" - it is illegal for ANY public school teacher / civil servant to take a 2nd job in Korea (civil service act).

.


Actually if you are a public school teacher you can work 2 or more PUBLIC SCHOOL jobs without Immigration permission.


Thank you very much, ttompatz and TheUrbanMyth! Exactly the kind of responses I was hoping for. I won't worry about the 6000, and if other public school teachers don't give private lessons on the side I won't either. Except (a) not for pay, or (b) in exchange for Korean ones for me.
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