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korea.teacher
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 Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 2:56 pm Post subject: Why Do Some Teachers Kick Other Teachers When They're Down? |
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Why do some of the teachers in this forum kick other teachers when they're down?
I'm talking about the situations when bad things happen to good people, enthusiastic teachers with professional attitudes who are taken advantage of by dishonest recruiters or hagwon owners?
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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I suspect some of the posters here are hagwan owners, managers or recruiters with an axe to grind. They will always come down on the side of the school. (no matter what)
Other than that, some people just have no clue. Wait till they get screwed over and watch 'em come running for sympathy.
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oldfatfarang
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: On the road to somewhere.
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| Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Sadly, many people are cowards. Internet message boards are full of cowards denigrating others. They can safely bully people needing advice etc - and I guess that makes them feel strong. They're no better than the school bully - all neck and no brains. Sucks to be them. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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| It may come down to the fact that people who've been teaching in Korea long enough to figure out what the score is know that with 50%+ of hagwons the only professional course of action possible if one wants to teach professionally is to quit or get fired. Thus what some people might see as a curse we'd see as a blessing. |
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moosehead
Joined: 05 May 2007
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| Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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| oldfatfarang wrote: |
| Sadly, many people are cowards. Internet message boards are full of cowards denigrating others. They can safely bully people needing advice etc - and I guess that makes them feel strong. They're no better than the school bully - all neck and no brains. Sucks to be them. |
total agreement.
seriously, take a moment to look around. choose a group of people, anyone - among them how many would really stand up for the principles of an issue? how many would think of others first and themselves last?
look at the world we live in and where the role models are -
the thing is, above-avg people are often denigrated so much they stop realizing they are above-avg and begin trying to fit in with the avg and under-avg until next thing you know, another leader has fallen.
leadership skills are important; if you have a student, male or female, that has them, do your best to foster them, as a teacher it's one place to make a difference. recognize those traits and encourage them. |
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gkim06
Joined: 30 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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some waygug-in: As a Gyopo, I disagree with your comment about Gyopos simply because your generalizations are premature and slightly misworded. The Gyopos and non-Gyopo foreigners that I know get along well and understand each other, without needless and irresponsible presumptions; this goes for some Korean co-workers as well. I think I'm safe to say that you do not know all Gyopos (and native Koreans) and you certainly do not know me. I suggest that you be more careful about making such rash generalizations or, at least, restrict your comments to "the Gyopos/Koreans I know/have met".
I agree with oldfatfarang. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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You're right
Saying some may have an axe to grind is a harsh generalization.
I apologize.
Next time I'll be more specific. I should have said some may be running their own hagwans or may be recruiters.
I have my own axe to work on.
I should not have mentioned any racial group in my statement.
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Teabonesteak
Joined: 08 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| It may come down to the fact that people who've been teaching in Korea long enough to figure out what the score is know that with 50%+ of hagwons the only professional course of action possible if one wants to teach professionally is to quit or get fired. Thus what some people might see as a curse we'd see as a blessing. |
I've been in Korea for a total of 14 months (non-consecutive) and I made a mistake of going for a job with more money and less hours. I work at a Hagwon and there is no professionalism at this job AT ALL! I am in a very dubious position where I will either have to try to find a way out of my job or wait until this Hagwon closes down. The latter doesn't appear to be a likely outcome considering the boss is a LOADED as well as an obstinate fool. I can't sleep at night because of it.
Yu_bum_suk have you ever tried to get fired. Have you ever been able to "quit"? I would love to get some insight from you. |
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Teabonesteak
Joined: 08 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| It may come down to the fact that people who've been teaching in Korea long enough to figure out what the score is know that with 50%+ of hagwons the only professional course of action possible if one wants to teach professionally is to quit or get fired. Thus what some people might see as a curse we'd see as a blessing. |
I've been in Korea for a total of 14 months (non-consecutive) and I made a mistake of going for a job with more money and less hours. I work at a Hagwon and there is no professionalism at this job AT ALL! I am in a very dubious position where I will either have to try to find a way out of my job or wait until this Hagwon closes down. The latter doesn't appear to be a likely outcome considering the boss is a LOADED as well as an obstinate fool. I can't sleep at night because of it.
Yu_bum_suk, have you ever tried to get fired? Have you ever been able to just "quit"? I would love to get some insight from you. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Teabonesteak wrote: |
| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| It may come down to the fact that people who've been teaching in Korea long enough to figure out what the score is know that with 50%+ of hagwons the only professional course of action possible if one wants to teach professionally is to quit or get fired. Thus what some people might see as a curse we'd see as a blessing. |
I've been in Korea for a total of 14 months (non-consecutive) and I made a mistake of going for a job with more money and less hours. I work at a Hagwon and there is no professionalism at this job AT ALL! I am in a very dubious position where I will either have to try to find a way out of my job or wait until this Hagwon closes down. The latter doesn't appear to be a likely outcome considering the boss is a LOADED as well as an obstinate fool. I can't sleep at night because of it.
Yu_bum_suk have you ever tried to get fired. Have you ever been able to "quit"? I would love to get some insight from you. |
I had a list of all the parents' numbers. I had to start calling them with a bilingual friend about some unspecified 'concerns' I told them I wanted to to discuss with the boss and them before my boss hastily agreed to give me a LOR and free me from my contract. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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The truth is there are ******** everywhere whether you are talking to someone on the internet or in person (sure it's easier to do on the net) and you have to learn to ignore those types of people. Most of the people on here are supportive and will try to help as much as possible. A small minority like to shoot their mouths off.
Sometimes you may post something asking for help and may not get very many good responses. It really depends on the time of day you post and who sees it as well as how many other people post after that and push it further down the page. Don't get discouraged. There are plenty of people who will help you. |
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Teabonesteak
Joined: 08 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| Teabonesteak wrote: |
| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| It may come down to the fact that people who've been teaching in Korea long enough to figure out what the score is know that with 50%+ of hagwons the only professional course of action possible if one wants to teach professionally is to quit or get fired. Thus what some people might see as a curse we'd see as a blessing. |
I've been in Korea for a total of 14 months (non-consecutive) and I made a mistake of going for a job with more money and less hours. I work at a Hagwon and there is no professionalism at this job AT ALL! I am in a very dubious position where I will either have to try to find a way out of my job or wait until this Hagwon closes down. The latter doesn't appear to be a likely outcome considering the boss is a LOADED as well as an obstinate fool. I can't sleep at night because of it.
Yu_bum_suk have you ever tried to get fired. Have you ever been able to "quit"? I would love to get some insight from you. |
I had a list of all the parents' numbers. I had to start calling them with a bilingual friend about some unspecified 'concerns' I told them I wanted to to discuss with the boss and them before my boss hastily agreed to give me a LOR and free me from my contract. |
My situation is a little different. If I leave then it guarantees the schools failure. The franchise system of this school has no oversight and there is no way I can quit or get fired without compromising my integrity or my visa status negatively. I decided the best I can do is just let nature takes it's course and my school will close down soon.
I started a topic about my school failing and i got nothing but helpful encouragement. I think if someone starts a topic about being in trouble and someone kicks them while there down it's probably because they have never been in that type situation. I'll be sure to document my experience fully once it comes to an end.
Thanks for the reply! |
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Teabonesteak
Joined: 08 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| Teabonesteak wrote: |
| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| It may come down to the fact that people who've been teaching in Korea long enough to figure out what the score is know that with 50%+ of hagwons the only professional course of action possible if one wants to teach professionally is to quit or get fired. Thus what some people might see as a curse we'd see as a blessing. |
I've been in Korea for a total of 14 months (non-consecutive) and I made a mistake of going for a job with more money and less hours. I work at a Hagwon and there is no professionalism at this job AT ALL! I am in a very dubious position where I will either have to try to find a way out of my job or wait until this Hagwon closes down. The latter doesn't appear to be a likely outcome considering the boss is a LOADED as well as an obstinate fool. I can't sleep at night because of it.
Yu_bum_suk have you ever tried to get fired. Have you ever been able to "quit"? I would love to get some insight from you. |
I had a list of all the parents' numbers. I had to start calling them with a bilingual friend about some unspecified 'concerns' I told them I wanted to to discuss with the boss and them before my boss hastily agreed to give me a LOR and free me from my contract. |
My situation is a little different. If I leave then it guarantees the schools failure. The franchise system of this school has no oversight and there is no way I can quit or get fired without compromising my integrity or my visa status negatively. I decided the best I can do is just let nature takes it's course and my school will close down soon.
I started a topic about my school failing and I got nothing but helpful encouragement. I think if someone starts a topic about being in trouble and someone kicks them while there down it's probably because they have never been in that type situation. I'll be sure to document my experience fully once it comes to an end.
Thanks for the reply! |
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Tobias
Joined: 02 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 12:14 am Post subject: |
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| moosehead wrote: |
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seriously, take a moment to look around. choose a group of people, anyone - among them how many would really stand up for the principles of an issue? how many would think of others first and themselves last?
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This is why we'll never have a TESOL union.
I once had a colleague have the gall to ask me, just after she had gotten back from vacation and hadn't even said "hello" yet, if I'd vacate my position so one of her buddies could take my job. |
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ChinaBoy
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| Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 12:38 am Post subject: |
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| I find there are a lot of idiot posters on here who really have no clue about life and deserved to be kicked. |
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