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fiveeagles

Joined: 19 May 2005 Location: Vancouver
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 1:19 am Post subject: Chinese dragon awakens |
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We were planning on moving to Taiwan until my wife had a few dreams of the Chinese invading Taiwan. So we decided on Seoul, Korea. However, I wonder if China, Russia and North Korea will form an alliance against the United States.
http://washingtontimes.com/specialreport/20050626-122138-1088r.htm
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Tiger Beer

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 1:30 am Post subject: |
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Russia.. haha.
China.. real strong haha.
Basically China wants to be in the exact same system as the US.. capitalistic and expanding its wealth and international trade.. export and all the rest. There isn't any political difference there anymore.. and any attack on the US would bring down the world economy they seem to be excelling at right now and into the forseeable future.
Russia is too beaten down to even consider wasting its time and energy destroying itself more.. and to what point? There is no threat to them from the US.
NK is a rougue state.. never heard of Russia or wanting to be involved with them these days. |
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mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 4:58 am Post subject: |
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Tiger Beer wrote: |
Russia.. haha.
Russia is too beaten down to even consider wasting its time and energy destroying itself more.. |
Russian economy:
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This recovery, along with a renewed government effort in 2000 and 2001 to advance lagging structural reforms, has raised business and investor confidence over Russia's prospects in its second decade of transition. Russia remains heavily dependent on exports of commodities, particularly oil, natural gas, metals, and timber, which account for over 80% of exports, leaving the country vulnerable to swings in world prices. In recent years, however, the economy has also been driven by growing internal consumer demand that has increased by over 12% annually in 2000-2004, showing the strengthening of its own internal market.
The country's GDP shot up to reach ��1.2 trillion ($1.5 trillion) in 2004, making it the eleventh largest economy in the world and the fifth largest in Europe. If the current growth rate is sustained, the country is expected to become the second largest European economy after Germany (��1.9 trillion or $2.3 trillion) and the sixth largest in the world within a few years. |
This is correct though:
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There is no threat to them from the US. |
And the rest of your points are correct too. Russia hasn't been sick economically for a few years now, that's all. |
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fiveeagles

Joined: 19 May 2005 Location: Vancouver
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 5:09 am Post subject: |
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Why then the article in the washington times? Also, why did China and Russia stage military tactics on their borders? They once were enemies. What about Iran and Venzuala? They also could jump on board with these countries. Venzuala has been reported that it is increasing it's military might.
Personally, I don't even know where Europe would stand. In a recent poll, Europians relate more to China then they do with the US.
If they were to naively assume they could defeat the US, then the economies of the world would be subject to their control. |
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Tiger Beer

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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mithridates wrote: |
Tiger Beer wrote: |
Russia.. haha.
Russia is too beaten down to even consider wasting its time and energy destroying itself more.. |
Russian economy:
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This recovery, along with a renewed government effort in 2000 and 2001 to advance lagging structural reforms, has raised business and investor confidence over Russia's prospects in its second decade of transition. Russia remains heavily dependent on exports of commodities, particularly oil, natural gas, metals, and timber, which account for over 80% of exports, leaving the country vulnerable to swings in world prices. In recent years, however, the economy has also been driven by growing internal consumer demand that has increased by over 12% annually in 2000-2004, showing the strengthening of its own internal market.
The country's GDP shot up to reach ��1.2 trillion ($1.5 trillion) in 2004, making it the eleventh largest economy in the world and the fifth largest in Europe. If the current growth rate is sustained, the country is expected to become the second largest European economy after Germany (��1.9 trillion or $2.3 trillion) and the sixth largest in the world within a few years. |
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There is no threat to them from the US. |
And the rest of your points are correct too. Russia hasn't been sick economically for a few years now, that's all. |
still don't see Russia building up any alliances to go over after the States in any kind of military way though. |
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peemil

Joined: 09 Feb 2003 Location: Koowoompa
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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Why then the article in the washington times? |
Moonies? |
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joe_doufu

Joined: 09 May 2005 Location: Elsewhere
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Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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China is our friend and our banker. They aren't going to fight us. I suppose they might form an "alliance" with North Korea as in they might push Kim Jong Il aside and take over NK for humanitarian reasons. And, much as it pains me to imagine, I think they may get their hands on Taiwan, too. But Russia? It's on its knees. It's army can't even control Chechnya, a province of maybe one million people. Russia isn't about to attack the few countries that might be able to help it survive. |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 12:59 pm Post subject: |
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The greatest danger facing America is a possible nuclear attack from Russia. This danger is not something imaginary. Russian nuclear missiles can reach America in about 30 minutes, reducing America's cities to rubble. Unlike Russia, America has no anti-ballistic missile defenses and no national shelter system. Furthermore, political changes in Russia have not reduced the danger of nuclear war. According to former CIA analyst Peter Vincent Pry, there has been a five-fold increase in nuclear war scares since the collapse of Communism.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=19774
More than a decade after the end of the Cold War, both the United States and Russia maintain vast nuclear arsenals. The United States still has 550 ICBMs -- long-range missiles that can reach Moscow in a half an hour -- stored in silos throughout the West. A single U.S. nuclear submarine carries up to 192 warheads and could kill or maim about a third of Russia's population, some 50 million people. The United States has 18 of these submarines. All told, the explosive power of America's nuclear warheads is 100,000 times greater than the single Hiroshima bomb. And our nuclear war plan keeps many of these weapons on hair-trigger alert
http://www.nrdc.org/nuclear/nwarplan.asp
As London recovers from the latest deadly al-Qaida attack that killed at least 50, top U.S. government officials are contemplating what they consider to be an inevitable and much bigger assault on America – one likely to kill millions, destroy the economy and fundamentally alter the course of history.
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45203
The government will be busy with internal problems. Then from the oceans, Russia, Cuba, Nicaragua, Central America, Mexico, and two other countries (which I cannot remember) will attack! The Russians will bombard the nuclear missile silos in America. America will burn."
http://www.americaslastdays.com/russians.htm |
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Seeker of truth
Joined: 02 Sep 2005
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Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 9:05 am Post subject: Chinese strategy |
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Keep in mind that the Chinese are pursuing a well thought out strategy for establishing their influence in the world. Take notice that they've been buying up energy sources around the world for the past several years. Recently, they wanted to buy up some energy company in the US, but eventually withdrew in the midst of much political criticism.
Don't think the Chinese dragon is just a harmless pussycat. |
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Tiger Beer

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2005 10:13 am Post subject: |
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Honestly.. China doens't need to form some strange weirdo alliance with North Korea and Russia (which would never happen) to bring down the U.S.
They could do it today if they wanted.. the War in Iraq costs the United States 2.2 billion dollars a day.. the U.S. already has one of the largest debts its ever had in its history (and growing enormously). All that money to be in Iraq comes from money it pretty much borrows from places like China (in the realm of trade deficits, etc.)
If China wanted to 'call for' all its debt today.. the U.S. simply couldn't pay it. Perhaps the only reason that China doesn't do that now, is it would destroy the world economy as we know it today - and China looks REAL good with the status quo of things now.
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In addition to that.. the Bush's War on Terrorism offers legit excuses for coming down hard within China on China's own muslim populations.. as well as Russia with its 'Chechnya problem' - again another muslim population in that country. Its neither in China or Russia's interest to give legitimacy to its own potetentially extremist muslim groups living within their own borders (not that Chechnya isn't already a powderkeg for Russia). |
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fiveeagles

Joined: 19 May 2005 Location: Vancouver
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 4:12 pm Post subject: Re: Chinese dragon awakens |
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fiveeagles wrote: |
Any thoughts? |
Yeah. You're married? |
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fiveeagles

Joined: 19 May 2005 Location: Vancouver
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Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 7:06 am Post subject: |
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Yeah. You're married? |
You would have to say, miracles do happen!!!  |
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fiveeagles

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jaganath69

Joined: 17 Jul 2003
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 5:09 am Post subject: |
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rapier wrote: |
The greatest danger facing America is a possible nuclear attack from Russia. This danger is not something imaginary. Russian nuclear missiles can reach America in about 30 minutes, reducing America's cities to rubble. Unlike Russia, America has no anti-ballistic missile defenses and no national shelter system. Furthermore, political changes in Russia have not reduced the danger of nuclear war. According to former CIA analyst Peter Vincent Pry, there has been a five-fold increase in nuclear war scares since the collapse of Communism.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=19774
More than a decade after the end of the Cold War, both the United States and Russia maintain vast nuclear arsenals. The United States still has 550 ICBMs -- long-range missiles that can reach Moscow in a half an hour -- stored in silos throughout the West. A single U.S. nuclear submarine carries up to 192 warheads and could kill or maim about a third of Russia's population, some 50 million people. The United States has 18 of these submarines. All told, the explosive power of America's nuclear warheads is 100,000 times greater than the single Hiroshima bomb. And our nuclear war plan keeps many of these weapons on hair-trigger alert
http://www.nrdc.org/nuclear/nwarplan.asp
As London recovers from the latest deadly al-Qaida attack that killed at least 50, top U.S. government officials are contemplating what they consider to be an inevitable and much bigger assault on America – one likely to kill millions, destroy the economy and fundamentally alter the course of history.
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45203
The government will be busy with internal problems. Then from the oceans, Russia, Cuba, Nicaragua, Central America, Mexico, and two other countries (which I cannot remember) will attack! The Russians will bombard the nuclear missile silos in America. America will burn."
http://www.americaslastdays.com/russians.htm |
Are you currently in a competition to see who can be the biggest fruitloop with fiveeagles? Do you know anything about credibility of sources for that matter? I suggest you take a look at the wiki entry for wnd for a start. Finally, I can't begin to tell you, as someone with a BA in International Relations who is also currently doing an MA in the same, how risable the last one is. Come on, you are smarter than that, are you not? |
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