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bogey666
Joined: 17 Mar 2008
Location: Korea, the ass free zone
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 Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 10:29 pm Post subject: my Korean highschoolers brazen in their "judgments" |
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I was showing a youtubeclip of a waygook married to a Korean woman
and they immediately said the woman was "ugly". One even called her 'trash'. Now, granted, she's nowhere in the area code of Lee Hyori, but I wouldn't have called her ugly (and I can be a tough grade myself), I would have called her "decidedly average".
of course, they also thought the waygook was "handsome", and to me he was "decidedly average".
just goes to show you the differences in what we and they perceive as attractive (back to the Lucy Liu discussion)
the other thing that struck me is how we were discussing what they like to watch the other day.. and the uniform answer among boys, even 1st graders was "dirty movies" , (which my young K-teacher dutifully translated even though she looked slightly uncomfortable)
of course the third graders just flat out say - Japanese porn.
(now I was in stitches).. so I mimicked the the high pitched whiny Japanese porn shrieks and they were in stitches.
it was hard to get back to the material at hand. 
and my first grade girls were very blunt about their fieldtrip and how it was "great", and when asked why - because so many handsome boys (NOT from our school of course)
then in the afterschool class we were discussing differences in Korean and Western dating cultures and discussing "blind date", but one smartass (1st grade, meaning 15 years old, our age) tried telling me he went to a local room salon, claimed that his dad took him. After a series of questions we concluded he was BSing.
the MOST fascinating thing was that during the blind date discussion, one first grader said - oh yes we have a LOT of those in Korea and they're a great thing.. when asked why - the kid goes - "one night stands" - many babies.
where the F, did he learn "one night stand"???
I guess this just shows I still have a lot to learn about "Korean culture". |
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Xuanzang
Joined: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Sadang
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| Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Ask them why not Korean dirty videos? |
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bundangbabo
Joined: 01 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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Bogey - you couldn't leave a link of the clip? Cheers mate!  |
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theatrelily
Joined: 03 Jun 2004
Location: Haeundae-gu, Busan
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| Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:02 pm Post subject: Re: my Korean highschoolers brazen in their "judgments& |
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| bogey666 wrote: |
(now I was in stitches).. so I mimicked the the high pitched whiny Japanese porn shrieks and they were in stitches.
it was hard to get back to the material at hand.
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So very wrong.  |
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feckingreal
Joined: 09 Mar 2009
Location: Craggy
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| Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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Im with you theatrelily...
I dont wanna hear about my 15 year old students watching porn...
I understand they may do it, but when I ask them what they did last weekend that is not an acceptable answer...
How do you think your teacher would have reacted if you had given the same answer as a 15 year old student...? I'm sure they would have been pretty pissed cause telling you they watched porn at the weekend is seriously disrespectful...
And as you for you not only allowing it, but joining in ...
Seriously gross...
( Please disregard all of this if you are not infact a teacher.... if you are a teacher...please read again...) |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:50 pm Post subject: |
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| feckingreal wrote: |
Im with you theatrelily...
I dont wanna hear about my 15 year old students watching porn...
I understand they may do it, but when I ask them what they did last weekend that is not an acceptable answer...
How do you think your teacher would have reacted if you had given the same answer as a 15 year old student...? I'm sure they would have been pretty pissed cause telling you they watched porn at the weekend is seriously disrespectful...
And as you for you not only allowing it, but joining in ...
Seriously gross...
( Please disregard all of this if you are not infact a teacher.... if you are a teacher...please read again...) |
Yeah, but most of us went to school before the Internet was widely used. These days from what I hear a lot of American kids are making their own porn.
It's certainly not something I'd discuss in class but the facts that students often feel freer to talk to us and that the English language allows forms of expressions that Korean doesn't, kind of opens this topic up when dealing with a bunch of repressed adolescents. A 17 or 18-year-old girl once asked me 'Tell us a bitch story' when the topic of dating came up. I didn't, if nothing else because she pronunced it as 'beach' and I had no idea what she meant at first, but there is something kind of cute about that in a, well, klogical sort of way. |
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kenbear
Joined: 14 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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my students talk about porn a lot (i'm in an all boys middle school) and i just ignore it, most of the time they jus want a reaction from me, and if that fails i just correct their grammar and they get the hint that i don't want to hear that stuff
bogey imitating the noise of porn to students is wrong in so many ways, dont' encourage them it can only get worse. What's next? asking them to bring in their favorite porn for show and tell? |
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bogey666
Joined: 17 Mar 2008
Location: Korea, the ass free zone
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| Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:31 am Post subject: |
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| kenbear wrote: |
my students talk about porn a lot (i'm in an all boys middle school) and i just ignore it, most of the time they jus want a reaction from me, and if that fails i just correct their grammar and they get the hint that i don't want to hear that stuff
bogey imitating the noise of porn to students is wrong in so many ways, dont' encourage them it can only get worse. What's next? asking them to bring in their favorite porn for show and tell? |
I agree I should NOT have done it... and in self defense, I only did it ONCE, only with this certain class (which are 3d graders and I like them, almost adults) AND I only did it for the shortest of times around one table of students..
I agree it was wrong. I couldn't help myself in that circumstance, but should've.
what I NORMALLY do (because this gets brought up ALL the time, is chuckle and laugh and say no no no, you're too YOUNG.... and change topics)
what I won't do is give them the Church Lady face and or response.
I guess what surprises me is that they're so blunt about it in front of their culturally sexually repressed Korean teachers.
that's what floors me.
However, I think Yum-Bum-suk has nailed why in his post. |
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BigBuds
Joined: 15 Sep 2005
Location: Changwon
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| Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 1:40 am Post subject: |
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| Xuanzang wrote: |
| Ask them why not Korean dirty videos? |
Cause they're not dirty.
Korean porn has got to be the WORST soft porn ever produced! |
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bogey666
Joined: 17 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 1:57 am Post subject: |
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actually one of my third graders, talks about "Korean porn" all the time
I have yet to see it. |
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DrOctagon
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| Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 5:29 am Post subject: |
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My students (I have all high school boys) always say, "Teach-uh, A.V. video?" when I tell them that I'm gonna show them a video.
"Teach-uh? You know Spice tv? AV video? Triple X?" It's ALWAYS on their minds. I just roll my eyes and get on with the lesson.
Some students say DDR all the time too. What is DDR? And I'm not talking about dance dance revolution. |
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bogey666
Joined: 17 Mar 2008
Location: Korea, the ass free zone
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| Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 5:41 am Post subject: |
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| that the English language allows forms of expressions that Korean doesn't |
yu-bum-suk (or anyone else) - can you elaborate or expand on this point.
what form or style of expression is not allowed in spoken Korean? |
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Socks
Joined: 15 May 2008
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| Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 5:46 am Post subject: |
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these days many grade 4 and grade 5 students (at elementary school) are already watching Japanese porno and they are experts at downloading it...
8 years ago in Korea - it was very common for grade six students to download and watch it - now grade 4 students also do it regularly..
they are old pro's by the time they hit high school.. but they just feel they are old enough not to have to keep it secret anymore... |
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bogey666
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| Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 7:47 am Post subject: |
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| How do you think your teacher would have reacted if you had given the same answer as a 15 year old student...? I'm sure they would have been pretty pissed cause telling you they watched porn at the weekend is seriously disrespectful |
I missed this little tidbit the first time around, but it's important enough where I think I need to address it.
first of all... circumstances.
I'm not ENTIRELY sure it's "disrespectful" - unless I, as a teacher find porn objectionable, which I do NOT. I wouldn't readily provide it to young kids, (or older kids for that matter, or anyone) but I'm not going to get up in arms about learning they watch it or even have it. For e.g. if I busted a kid with a mag, (that's old school they don't have need for that anymore - I would merely take it away, throw it out, but not take any action against the student).
I consider a good 75% of a typical school's "disciplinary" rules to be complete BULLSHIT in the first place. ESPECIALLY in Korea, where the kids aren't thugs/gangsters in waiting but just naturally mischevious.
e.g. dresscode - couldn't care less, especially minutiae.. one of the school's disciplinarians came into a classroom i was helping out in one day (they never walk into MY English room) and started measuring the back of the kids hair.
I rolled my eyes.
Smoking - I could care less. I'd throw out the ciggie, take no disciplinary action.
played baseball with my 2nd and 3rd grade highschoolers last weekend.. The had a huge bottle of Hite.. offered me some.. I said no thanks.. but couldn't care less if they drank (which they did, but not to excess)
I would have taken the beer away in school of course.
I draw the line on things that I think matter. - like spitting in school on floors/stairs (this drives me nuts) and other actions like vandalism, serious violence, etc. Those kinds of things I come down on like an anvil.
The stupid crap that is completely ineffective, like the hair, uniform and ciggy police, etc - and morality police for that matter, I ignore.
the KEY here is what Yu Bum Suk touches on.
This is NOT a usual/typical student/teacher situation. The Korean kids do not think of US in the same sense as they think of their Korean teachers (this has good and bad aspects)
the GOOD aspect is they will be far more open and honest with us that they might be under "typical circumstances" in their native language.
I find my kids honest to a fault. They are from poor communities and when I asked them to let their imaginations run a little when learning activities.. things you did (e.g. what did you do last weekend), I always get the same uniform answers.
nothing.. slept.. played computer games. etc.
even when I ask them to imagine, I get the same answers.
as an ESL teacher - I REFUSE to allow preposterous ideas of "respect" and "morality" to IMPEDE my student's WILLINGNESS (as hard as this is to nurture in the first place) to speak to me IN ENGLISH.
he's not disrespecting me at all by telling me the truth.
there is no disrespect meant and none taken.
if you're dealing with a native speaker in a native setting it's a little different, after all, clearly there is an ULTERIOR motive for the students to tell you such a thing)
no such ulterior motive with MY kids.
this isn't the US/Canada, or wherever and you're NOT the same "teacher" here that you were over there.
p.s. these weren't 15 year olds.. my freshmen are still more reticent.. (though not all, some are already rambunctious behond belief) these were seniors.. ergo 17 year olds. |
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bobbyhanlon
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| Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:45 am Post subject: |
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| DDR in that context means masturbation, believe it or not.. |
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