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panfilm
Joined: 17 Jan 2009
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Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 5:58 am Post subject: Transcripts, GPA, and Depression |
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I've been teaching in Central Europe for close to 10 years (same employer), and I'm thinking of moving on; Korea looks interesting, but I have some questions concerning the application process and the importance of the contents of the transcripts.
My issue is...
...when in university, I underwent a bout of severe depression. Four or five semesters in a row I signed up for full time classes (15 units each semester) but couldn't bring myself to go onto campus. Result: as many semester's full of solid 0.0 grade points / Fs. They killed what would have been an otherwise OK GPA.
Question #1: Would I automatically be rejected on the basis of the low GPA (2.3)
Question #2: The huge block of Fs can be explained with reference to the depression, but would I then have hung myself on my own petard, because the prospective employer will shun me as though diseased?
Question #3: Are apps, transcripts and suchlike held in some sort of clearing house, to the effect that were I to submit such an application + transcripts complete with truthful explanation of the Fs, would I thereby doom myself with regard to Korea?
Question #4: Is it an error to suspect that in Korea the opinion about depression is quite negative, that anyone with a hint of such trouble is toxic or radioactive?
Any advice, suggestions, recommendations...?
THANKS!!!!!!!! |
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yingwenlaoshi

Joined: 12 Feb 2007 Location: ... location, location!
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Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 6:30 am Post subject: |
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Don't worry about it. Immigration, not your employer, needs your sealed transcript. It's only to prove that you graduated from university. |
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panfilm
Joined: 17 Jan 2009
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Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 6:44 am Post subject: |
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I love your avatar --laughed right out loud. Thank you so much for the reply, I really appreciate your response... |
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sarbonn

Joined: 14 Oct 2008 Location: Michigan
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Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 7:04 am Post subject: |
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Like Ying said, no one is going to care about your grades. I would be really careful about revealing depression though. They are really anal about pretty much anything health or mental wise that comes up. |
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oldtactics

Joined: 18 Oct 2008
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Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 7:06 am Post subject: |
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Nobody cares about the bad grades. DON'T draw attention to them with a letter. They just need to see that 'degree conferred' at the top.
As for the depression, I don't think it's looked upon as 'negative' as much as it's looked upon as 'don't ask don't tell'. Korean society doesn't really encourage the discussion of -feelings- so any issue that one has is a personal issue that doesn't get talked about with others. Therefore, I wouldn't bring it up around your employer or coworkers.
Korea's wonderful, hope your application goes well! |
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storysinger81

Joined: 25 Mar 2007 Location: Daegu
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Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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If anyone does ask, just say someone in your family was experiencing health issues at the time and you needed to be with them. Then refuse to answer more questions about it.
You're not lying. Technically. You are a member of your own family.
As others said, don't freak out about it. Your experience abroad should cancel out any hesitations employers have about your uni record. |
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah - you're in luck here. No one will care. The bigger question is *if* you can come up with all the necessary paperwork, not whether it's filled with As, Bs, Fs, 4s, or 0s. |
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Ukon
Joined: 29 Jan 2008
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Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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How the hell did you pass university? |
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Ramen
Joined: 15 Apr 2008
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Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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Ukon wrote: |
How the hell did you pass university? |
I think 2.0 GPA is the minimum passing grade. The OP said he got 2.3 GPA. |
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Cerriowen
Joined: 03 Jun 2006 Location: Pocheon
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Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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Question #1: Would I automatically be rejected on the basis of the low GPA (2.3) |
The school never sees it. You can tell them you graduated with a 4.0 if you want
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Question #2: The huge block of Fs can be explained with reference to the depression, but would I then have hung myself on my own petard, because the prospective employer will shun me as though diseased? |
Don't explain. No one will see it that matters. You just use it to prove that you graduated. That's it.
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Question #3: Are apps, transcripts and suchlike held in some sort of clearing house, to the effect that were I to submit such an application + transcripts complete with truthful explanation of the Fs, would I thereby doom myself with regard to Korea? |
DON'T EXPLAIN!!!
See now, keeping documents would be logical... ergo they don't. Every year you have to resubmit everything. THIS year you graduated, but maybe NEXT year you wouldn't have graduated. So you need to prove it again... and again... and again...
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Question #4: Is it an error to suspect that in Korea the opinion about depression is quite negative, that anyone with a hint of such trouble is toxic or radioactive? |
Completely radioctive. You will be fired/letgo on the spot. However... they have many different catch phrases that get you around it. You're feeling tired. The weather is bad. You are sentimental. Don't mention it... ever... to anyone... ever. Even very westernized koreans treat it like a dirty little secret.
A lot of westerners here do take antidepressants, and as long as they are completely mum about it (Including lying on your health application!) no ones the wiser. |
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ChinaBoy
Joined: 17 Feb 2007
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Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 12:51 am Post subject: |
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Cerriowen wrote: |
A lot of westerners here do take antidepressants, and as long as they are completely mum about it (Including lying on your health application!) no ones the wiser. |
Kind of on the same topic (as I thought this was the OP's most important point, how can I get ahold of some of these? |
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AminoUp
Joined: 19 Nov 2008
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Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 2:00 am Post subject: |
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ChinaBoy --
Though I've never been there myself, I've seen ads for a Dr Park's Psychiatric Clinic in the Seollung area... might be worth a shot if you're needing those sorts of services. I've heard from other foreign teachers that pretty much all antidepressants from back home are available here, but again, you have to be super-secret about it.
...of course, this whole topic reminds me of the fact that I had to retake my drug test because Effexor apparently shows up as a scary and possibly-illegal substance, which was really no fun at all. |
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Cerriowen
Joined: 03 Jun 2006 Location: Pocheon
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Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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ChinaBoy wrote: |
Kind of on the same topic (as I thought this was the OP's most important point, how can I get ahold of some of these? |
Two ways
1) There are actually many clinics with psychiatrists (not psychologists) who are covered by the national insurance plan.
A word of warning about this route...
First... No matter what they say about doctor-patient confidentiality, remember that Korea is gossip central. The front recieptionist isn't bound by this, and can tell whom ever she likes that she saw you there. The doctors aren't nearly as careful about whom they talk to as we are in the west. If anyone finds out you went there, you're going to be assumed to be a serial killer pedophile. So, if you're going to do this... make sure it's not in your neighborhood!!!
Second... In my, err... friend's... brief experiment with a psychiatrist in Korea, the first doctor was very excited to be working on a foreigner. He diagnosed my... friend... with several interesting things that all were extremely stereotypical of westerners, without any logical basis... (anger management problems, and drug addiction) in the first meeting. The second doctor my friend went to was thrilled to get to speak english, and wanted to have long discussions and then charge her for them.
2) If you already have a steady prescription, and know what you need to take, and how much etc... and DON'T need a doctor to monitor them regularly... Then you can go to a regular clinic and request the exact prescription and dose. You can only get the prescription 2x from the same clinic however, before you have to switch, because of National Insurance reasons. (Unless you're paying cash for your prescription, then you can get it as often as you like). I'd also suggest you do this outside your neighborhood. |
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panfilm
Joined: 17 Jan 2009
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Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 2:36 am Post subject: |
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Thank you very much for the very illuminating responses to my post; I'm very relieved by the answers thus obtained, and will be actively looking for work in Korea... |
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Lauremony
Joined: 17 Apr 2009
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Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 1:43 pm Post subject: |
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Cerriowen wrote: |
A lot of westerners here do take antidepressants, and as long as they are completely mum about it (Including lying on your health application!) no ones the wiser. |
This is my major concern as well, as I've recently had to go back on antidepressants after trying to stay med-free for six months. I have no qualms about lying on my medical form (the thing is unethical anyway ), and I'm reasonably assured a supply of my medication during my stay, but I am concerned about entering the country with a supply of antidepressants in my possession. I have visions of being deported on the spot.
I know it's not completely "kosher" to discuss, but I can't be the only westerner who ever taught in Korea while on antidepressants. Can anyone relate their experiences or those of someone they know? |
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