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Do Koreans lack peripheral vision?
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Pligganease



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 4:50 pm    Post subject: Do Koreans lack peripheral vision? Reply with quote

Why can't Korean people see what's happening around them? Why do they walk right into you, or slam their shopping cart into yours?
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giraffe



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 4:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Do Koreans lack peripheral vision? Reply with quote

Pligganease wrote:
Why can't Korean people see what's happening around them? Why do they walk right into you, or slam their shopping cart into yours?


HAve you ever thought you might be the problem? hehe. I know when im in korea people bump into me all the time but i think its my fault cuz i dont coordinate with them.

I compare korean crowds to a flock of birds. You ever notice when theres hundreds of birds fliying closely together yet they can all anticipate where they are going? Like this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8eZJnbDHIg&feature=related

its like theyre all connected together by bluetooth and know where each otehr are except if you put a foreigner in the bunch it just screws up everything because your not part of the collective.

Unless your talking about you being on an empty street and people still bump into you... If thats the case then.. i dont know why...
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seoulsucker



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Location: The Land of the Hesitant Cutoff

PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting analogy, giraffe. I agree with you, there is a sort of poetic chaos to the busy pedestrian flow here.

On the "empty" street note, I think there's a very passive-aggressive undercurrent in some pedestrian behavior due to the population density, especially in older men and women. They seem to have some sort of subconcious need to occupy as much space as possible.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 5:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Do Koreans lack peripheral vision? Reply with quote

giraffe wrote:
Pligganease wrote:
Why can't Korean people see what's happening around them? Why do they walk right into you, or slam their shopping cart into yours?


HAve you ever thought you might be the problem? hehe. I know when im in korea people bump into me all the time but i think its my fault cuz i dont coordinate with them.

I compare korean crowds to a flock of birds. You ever notice when theres hundreds of birds fliying closely together yet they can all anticipate where they are going? Like this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8eZJnbDHIg&feature=related

its like theyre all connected together by bluetooth and know where each otehr are except if you put a foreigner in the bunch it just screws up everything because your not part of the collective.

Unless your talking about you being on an empty street and people still bump into you... If thats the case then.. i dont know why...


LOL - well put. What's So Great About Korea, Martaan? has a funny excerpt about exactly this.
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Forward Observer



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Because they're only concerned about themselves. Not everyone though.
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Adventurer



Joined: 28 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 5:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Do Koreans lack peripheral vision? Reply with quote

Pligganease wrote:
Why can't Korean people see what's happening around them? Why do they walk right into you, or slam their shopping cart into yours?


I am not quite sure how to answer that one, myself. It has happened where someone almost hit me with a shopping cart a couple of years ago. It hasn't happened since. Generally, people don't walk right into me. As far as walking into you, it seems like in some cases it may have to do with the fact that some don't walk you would walk in the West i.e. following driving type rules or ideas when it comes to the right of way.

I think it's selfishness to some extent. People around them are not so important. The idea of the general public being very important is not strong, perhaps. I cannot say for sure. If I spoke the language fluently and could ask someone, I would.
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Aelric



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The ajumma radar is an amazing sight. They can walk in front of you at the last second even it you are approaching from behind to pass them. At first I thought it was Waygook hate, but now I think it's just crotchety old ladies who hate everyone in that passive aggressive way. Everyone else gives a wide berth for me unless it's a packed street or subway station or whatever.
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Unposter



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally, I have seen plenty of Koreans run into each other, so there is at least some circumstancial evidence that, no, Koreans have not evolved a sixth sense or natural sonar.

When you live one ontop of each other, whether in crowded homes or densely populated areas, you learn to ignore the people around you.
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Pwillig



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eh, I think it's just the waegukin gravitational pull phenomena.
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M-Tea



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 6:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Do Koreans lack peripheral vision? Reply with quote

Pligganease wrote:
Why can't Korean people see what's happening around them? Why do they walk right into you, or slam their shopping cart into yours?


It's not that they can't see what's around them. They just choose not to deem that important. That's the way they are raised. If you thought you were a queen would you get out of the way?

Also, I find that men in Korea are a little better about it than the women. Only a little though.
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oldfatfarang



Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: On the road to somewhere.

PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Koreans bump into you because they don't know you, so they don't see you. They don't want to know or see you. This behavior could arise in overpopulation of a small space - but I doubt it (it doesn't happen in the Netherlands). It's just the Korean way, i.e., if you're not in their 'circles' - you simply don't exist.

Case in point.
I was fishing yesterday when 2 young K males approached. I gestured for them to please walk quietly by (and I pointed to the pod of fish I was fishing for). They stopped - talked in K - then walked in front of me - and then waded through the middle of the pod of fish I was fishing for.
Although that was the end of my fishing for the day, I wasn't surprised. I used to live in Seoul, and experienced the same 'manners' almost on a daily basis. In Korea, nobody matters except people in your 'circles'.
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sineface



Joined: 27 Feb 2006
Location: C'est magnifique

PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have looong thought that peripheral vision (or lack of it) is to blame. I'm not Korean myself so I can't tell you for sure, but it continually appears to me that people can't see you until you're in direct vision. Lack of spacial awareness plays in to it too.
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tzechuk



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I almost screamed at someone yesterday for pushing my daughter out of the way just because she couldn't be bothered to move a few centimetres (we were waiting for the bathroom).. this was a YOUNG woman in her early 20s - may be even 19 or so.

I gave her the death stare only a mother could ever produce. I was so hopping mad with that girl.. I mean.. she literally used her hand to push my kid away..
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harlowethrombey



Joined: 17 Mar 2009
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

seoulsucker wrote:
Interesting analogy, giraffe. I agree with you, there is a sort of poetic chaos to the busy pedestrian flow here.

On the "empty" street note, I think there's a very passive-aggressive undercurrent in some pedestrian behavior due to the population density, especially in older men and women. They seem to have some sort of subconcious need to occupy as much space as possible.



That would certainly explain the older folk that cross the entire length of th sidewalk, diagonally (apparently) jus to force me to not walk in a straight line. Or when I'm walking, someone is sitting/standing and only at the precise moment when I'm walking past them they suddenly jump up and cross in front of me.

I always thought it was like how cats are. They really want to be noticed so they always dart in front of you at the last moment.

Failing that, I seem to have some sort of magnetic beacon that draws them towards me (I've walked up an almost empty subway staircase and folks will literally cross all the way from the left to the right just to cut me off).

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ppcg4



Joined: 16 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that Koreans are the most oblivious people in the world. They have no idea of who is around them, nor do they seem to care. I saw a guy this weekend throw a lit cigarette, which hit another guy walking down the street. He just didn't look where he was throwing it.

Also the shopping cart thing... I experience that too.

Koreans kind of 'flow' through a place, like water. I guess it's not just Koreans... the same could be said for any large group of people. It drives me nuts sometimes though.
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