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jkelly80
Joined: 13 Jun 2007
Location: you boys like mexico?
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 Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 7:19 pm Post subject: Korean Immigration=morons |
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Last year SMOE forced me to work an afternoon program at another school. I put this on my resume b/c it focused more on reading and writing, and found a new job.
Korean immigration says that I was working illegally b/c I was at a different workplace and have flagged my visa application. Keep in mind I was forced to do this by a government institution. This country is beyond ridiculous. |
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whatever
Joined: 11 Jun 2006
Location: Korea: More fun than jail.
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| Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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| What were you anticipating...consistency? |
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jkelly80
Joined: 13 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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| whatever wrote: |
| What were you anticipating...consistency? |
Logic? A pretty pony? Free hugs? |
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Juregen
Joined: 30 May 2006
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| Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 10:03 pm Post subject: Re: Korean Immigration=morons |
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| jkelly80 wrote: |
Last year SMOE forced me to work an afternoon program at another school. I put this on my resume b/c it focused more on reading and writing, and found a new job.
Korean immigration says that I was working illegally b/c I was at a different workplace and have flagged my visa application. Keep in mind I was forced to do this by a government institution. This country is beyond ridiculous. |
That does not make the Immi's morons, it makes you a moron.
They follow what has been laid out by their government, that is their job. You accepted a job and did not check the legality of this. |
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Tiberious aka Sparkles
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| Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Immigration looks at people's resumes? |
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wylies99
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| Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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| I didn't know they actually read them. |
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Bibbitybop
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 12:10 am Post subject: Re: Korean Immigration=morons |
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| Juregen wrote: |
| jkelly80 wrote: |
Last year SMOE forced me to work an afternoon program at another school. I put this on my resume b/c it focused more on reading and writing, and found a new job.
Korean immigration says that I was working illegally b/c I was at a different workplace and have flagged my visa application. Keep in mind I was forced to do this by a government institution. This country is beyond ridiculous. |
That does not make the Immi's morons, it makes you a moron.
They follow what has been laid out by their government, that is their job. You accepted a job and did not check the legality of this. |
Not at all.
When I worked for SMOE, I also worked at another school. Both schools and SMOE told me going to immigration and registering an additional address was not needed because the contract was with SMOE, both schools were SMOE schools, SMOE places where they need you, and SMOE is a government organization that gets to cut corners with E-2 visa laws.
jkelly did nothing wrong except work as SMOE told him to. SMOE needs to help jkelly take care of this because foreign teachers trust SMOE in terms of the law. SMOE is not some simple hogwan owner. They are a goverenment organization and once again they work closes with immigration.
My guess is that the immigration officer doesn't understand SMOE or SMOE relationship with immigration. That, or SMOE screwed up and gave me, jkelly, and dozens of other teachers incorrect information. |
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Looney
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| Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 12:21 am Post subject: |
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| ^ agreed |
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JongnoGuru
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| Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 12:51 am Post subject: |
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Bibbitybop, that was characteristically correct of you.
Juregen, that was uncharacteristically rude of you.
JKelly, boy are you well on your way to losing your 'unjaded, trusting n00b' status. Sad but inevitable if you're looking at the Republic long-term. |
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phoneboothface
Joined: 26 Apr 2009
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 2:06 am Post subject: |
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| Tiberious aka Sparkles wrote: |
| Immigration looks at people's resumes? |
Ya wtf? |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 3:19 am Post subject: Re: Korean Immigration=morons |
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| jkelly80 wrote: |
Last year SMOE forced me to work an afternoon program at another school. I put this on my resume b/c it focused more on reading and writing, and found a new job.
Korean immigration says that I was working illegally b/c I was at a different workplace and have flagged my visa application. Keep in mind I was forced to do this by a government institution. This country is beyond ridiculous. |
I don't know about the legality of this, but it's your school's responsibility to take care of this. It's rather common for foreigners to work at more than one public school. I knew this girl who worked at more than one public school in Gwangju. I didn't know that's illegal. I can understand your anger since Korea has too much chaos.
It can be great to work here, but there are often many things that can go wrong in a country where the left hand often doesn't know what the right hand is doing. It's possible the immigration official you talked to didn't know his job or your school didn't do the proper paperwork. I don't know. Ultimately, your school should take care of this. I am not a fan of Korean Immigration, either. I submitted a contract last December, and they didn't bother to look at the date of the contract. If someone lands a great job, with bosses who are on the ball when it comes to paperwork, then you're in heaven, eitherwise it's "Welcome to Korean chaos, and good luck wayguk saram getting out of the maze!".
I am sorry, pal, that you're going through this..... Keep the faith, you will get through this. The most that will happen is you will pay a small fine or whatever. Hopefully, that won't happen. |
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dutchschultz
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Bibbitybop, jkelly did something wrong. S/he worked at a place when he didn't have a visa to do so.
For example, those who work at Hongik in Seoul need a supplemental visa to teach at Hongik's summer camp which is in Jochiwon since it is a different location.
TO THE OP: How many times does it have to be said: you can only work at the site that is connected to your visa. If you want to or are asked to or are forced to work at an additional site, then you need to get a supplemental visa added to your ARC.
STOP BLAMING IMMIGRATION AND STOP BLAMING SMOE. The person telling you that you must teach most likely doesn't have a clue about visas. Most people (even those who deal with foreigners and visa issuance) don't know that much about visas and what is required. If they tell you one thing and you don't trust them, then call immigration yourself. If you had done that then you wouldn't be having the problem you are having now. |
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Rory_Calhoun27
Joined: 14 Feb 2009
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| phoneboothface wrote: |
| Tiberious aka Sparkles wrote: |
| Immigration looks at people's resumes? |
Ya wtf? |
Come on.... everyone lies on their resume somwhere along the way.... that's part of the fun of human resources pros.... smell the liars in the game! It's an American, British, Aussie, and everyone else's national pastime!
I would have thought korea would enjoy this duplicity somewhere along the way..... another dream dies...  |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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I think it doesn't make sense for only one person to get in trouble. Why shouldn't the public school also get in trouble or whoever told him to do something that's supposedly illegal? That smacks of unfairness. Why should only the foreigner get in trouble? If something went amiss, then it's the fault of Jkelly, technically, and his school. At any rate, he relied on someone in his school who works for his school and is responsible for his visa. If it's illegal for Jkelly to have worked at that other school, then it would be illegal for that other public school to have employed him.
That's just unsparkingly unfair of immigration to just single him out.
Anyway, his school should know the law. I don't buy this thing about them not being expected to know it. It's their country and government, and they speak Korean. It's not like immigration speaks Japanese, and
the school people speak German. |
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Bibbitybop
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 6:22 am Post subject: |
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Bibbitybop, jkelly did something wrong. S/he worked at a place when he didn't have a visa to do so.
For example, those who work at Hongik in Seoul need a supplemental visa to teach at Hongik's summer camp which is in Jochiwon since it is a different location.
TO THE OP: How many times does it have to be said: you can only work at the site that is connected to your visa. If you want to or are asked to or are forced to work at an additional site, then you need to get a supplemental visa added to your ARC.
STOP BLAMING IMMIGRATION AND STOP BLAMING SMOE. The person telling you that you must teach most likely doesn't have a clue about visas. Most people (even those who deal with foreigners and visa issuance) don't know that much about visas and what is required. If they tell you one thing and you don't trust them, then call immigration yourself. If you had done that then you wouldn't be having the problem you are having now. |
You would be correct if jkelly wasn't with SMOE. His contract is not with his school, it is with a government organization that places him where they need him.
Let me repeat: I went through this process with SMOE and double-checked the legality of it. My main school, the 2nd school, and the SMOE office didn't give me quick answer. They took 2 days to contact the authorities and get straight answers. I told them I would go to immigration and register the 2nd school's address. They were told since it was a SMOE school, I didn't need to do that. This is coming from SMOE who deals with immigration directly for hundreds of visas each year, plus they get special rules b/c they are close with immigration.
Look at another situation in which the registering of 2nd locations is not required for SMOE teachers: Summer and winter English camps. Immigration may require Hongdae teachers to register, but they certainly don't require SMOE teachers. Between every semester, hundreds of SMOE teachers work outside of Seoul at camps and in Seoul at other schools in their district and in other districts. NO ONE goes to immigration because the teachers are working for SMOE and SMOE places teachers where they need them.
jkelly's case is not simply one principal or co-teacher's ignorance. SMOE clearly knows what is allowed with regards to where their teachers work. It is SMOE's job to know visa rules. It is immigration officials' job to understand what SMOE has been permitted to do in the past. |
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