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superacidjax

Joined: 17 Oct 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 1:10 pm Post subject: East Sea West Sea Korea is the center of the world. |
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Ok, the Koreans prefer East Sea instead of Sea of Japan.
The Koreans prefer West Sea for the Yellow Sea.
Do the Koreans really think they are the center of the world? I can understand perhaps complaining about the Sea of Japan, but I can't understand the West Sea controversy.
After all the "West Sea" is only west of Korea and Japan.. For the rest of mainland Asia, it's not west of anything. The Yellow Sea name comes from the fact that the sea is the spot of the runoff from the Yellow River. It doesn't, at least to my non-Korean eyes seem to be offensive to anyone, including Koreas.
Sea of Japan.. well the arguments there are more convincing (although not completely,) however West Sea? C'mon. It wouldn't surprise me if the Koreans prefer the term "Near West" for China and East Asia, instead of "Far East."
Am I the only one that finds this interesting? |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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I've never yet met a Korean who cares that the rest of the world calls the West Sea the Yellow Sea. It does not offend their sensibilities. They wouldn't care what the world called the East Sea either if the alternative weren't what it is. It's all akin to the same emotion that gets so many Canadians in a snit when they are asked if they are Americans, or so many South Americans balking at Americans calling themselves Americans. The Gulf War happened near what used to be called the Persian Gulf on one side and the Arabian Gulf on the other. Now it's just the Gulf.
This whole thing is not a uniquely Korean thing.
Look at maps from around the world. Note the location on a world map of the country of the map's origin. 9 times out of 10 you'll find that country located at the center of the map/world. |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
Look at maps from around the world. Note the location on a world map of the country of the map's origin. 9 times out of 10 you'll find that country located at the center of the map/world. |
And then there's the Corrective Perspective. |
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Ilsanman

Joined: 15 Aug 2003 Location: Bucheon, Korea
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Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 7:53 am Post subject: |
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Korea can call it the 'West Sea' for 50 km from their coast. That's national water. After that, it's the Yellow Sea. It's not called 'The Sea West of a very Insignificant Insecure Nation Sea'. |
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oskinny1

Joined: 10 Nov 2006 Location: Right behind you!
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Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 4:33 am Post subject: |
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It should all be based on language. In Korean they can call it whatever they want. In Japanese it can be called something else and in English an entirely different thing.
Nobody is insisting that Koreans say "America" in place of "Migook". That is because "America" is English and "Migook" is Korean. South Americans shouldn't care since they have their own name for "America" in their own language. Some people are just too insecure and petty.
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Location: retired
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Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 7:04 am Post subject: |
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I'll cut them slack on this. The Koreans have been a plaything of China and Japan for a long while. I'm quite willing when in the company of Koreans to use East Sea etc. |
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Cheonmunka

Joined: 04 Jun 2004
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Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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In China is the West Sea known as the Yellow Sea?
Anyone with knowledge of Chinese writing please tell.
Perhaps the Chinese call it something else?
In the Korean dictionary 서해 is also entered as, 황해, 'Yellow' Sea.
But, this is so obviously a Western term.
People shouldn't be up in arms about an indigenous people calling their own seas and lands whatever they wish. Your wish to change them is nothing short of colonialism.
There is absolutely no reason for Korea to be calling the 'East Sea' the 'Sea of Japan.'
What would Canadians think of the North Atlantic at Newfoundland becoming "The USA Sea"?
I don't think they'd like it. |
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Ilsanman

Joined: 15 Aug 2003 Location: Bucheon, Korea
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Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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I don't disagree with you. I just get up in arms if Koreans try to tell us how to call it in our language. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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What would Canadians think of the North Atlantic at Newfoundland becoming "The USA Sea"?
I don't think they'd like it. |
They would probably have a conniption, unlike Americans who don't get overly worked up about the name of that body of water off the coast of Texas, Louisiana and Florida. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:04 am Post subject: |
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Cheonmunka wrote: |
People shouldn't be up in arms about an indigenous people calling their own seas and lands whatever they wish. |
I agree.
Cheonmunka wrote: |
Your wish to change them is nothing short of colonialism. |
Most ridiculous thing I've read on Dave's in a few weeks. |
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Cheonmunka

Joined: 04 Jun 2004
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Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know how I didn't see this before:
황 actually means, 'golden,' not 'yellow.' Instead of the yellow, the West Sea in Chinese and as Chinese use it means, 'Golden Sea.'
See how we (Westerners) emphasize something different. 'Yellow Sea' to us could have any connotations of how we used the term yellow, historically I strongly feel the way Westerners used it when denoting orientals ....
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I don't disagree with you. I just get up in arms if Koreans try to tell us how to call it in our language. |
I think I understand what you mean - like you are used to perhaps referring it as the, 'Sea of Japan.' But, honestly, had you ever before you came here? Have you ever looked at a map and said, "Look, here's the Sea of Japan, I must remember that."
I would think no. On the other hand, since you've lived here ages, and have the Korean involvement in your personal mind, surely you would accept the usage here?
It won't work should you come to teach regional geography back in the West. But for now you can be fine with it.
When you think about it, is not 'Sea of Japan' a very strictly Japancentric way of it? |
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Ilsanman

Joined: 15 Aug 2003 Location: Bucheon, Korea
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Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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Every English map I ever looked at before coming here called it 'Sea of Japan'.
Furthermore, if Japan didn't exist, it'd be part of the Pacific Ocean, and there wouldn't be a sea at all.
East Sea is a Koreaocentric way of calling it. It means 'East of Korea'. |
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3MB
Joined: 26 Mar 2009
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Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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Ilsanman wrote: |
Every English map I ever looked at before coming here called it 'Sea of Japan'.
Furthermore, if Japan didn't exist, it'd be part of the Pacific Ocean, and there wouldn't be a sea at all.
East Sea is a Koreaocentric way of calling it. It means 'East of Korea'. |
Its also pretty much east of the whole world, too, isnt it? |
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Ilsanman

Joined: 15 Aug 2003 Location: Bucheon, Korea
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Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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It depends on your perspective. If you start in North America, it's quicker to travel WEST over the Pacific Ocean, isn't it? |
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nero
Joined: 11 Mar 2009
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Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
I've never yet met a Korean who cares that the rest of the world calls the West Sea the Yellow Sea. It does not offend their sensibilities. They wouldn't care what the world called the East Sea either if the alternative weren't what it is. It's all akin to the same emotion that gets so many Canadians in a snit when they are asked if they are Americans, or so many South Americans balking at Americans calling themselves Americans. The Gulf War happened near what used to be called the Persian Gulf on one side and the Arabian Gulf on the other. Now it's just the Gulf.
This whole thing is not a uniquely Korean thing.
Look at maps from around the world. Note the location on a world map of the country of the map's origin. 9 times out of 10 you'll find that country located at the center of the map/world. |
I remember growing up 99% of the maps at school had North America at the centre. (I'm from NZ).
When I first got to Korea my rural school had a field trip to the East Coast and as we were standing on the beach I said "so is that the Sea of Japan?" (which what I had always been taught). The teachers took such offense at that (even after I explained I hadn't realised that the name was different in Korea) that 4 of them didn't speak to me again for the next 10 months. It was at that point that I wondered if I had made a dreadful mistake...then of course came along Dokdo..  |
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