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Reason for cancer among Koreans?

 
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d-rail



Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: Gangnam

PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2009 9:33 am    Post subject: Reason for cancer among Koreans? Reply with quote

This may have been covered in the past so sorry if it has, but I'd like to hear people's thoughts.

For all of the health benefits from eating fremented foods and garlic, Koreans tend to have a high rate of various cancers...seems to be mostly stomach. Why does this seem to be so much more prevelant in Korea than other places i have lived?

Some might say that a consistent diet of spicy food will eventually damage the stomach lining, or cause chronic ulsers, but I have noticed something else. I have never been able to read the ingredients of gochu-jang in English until now. One of the first ingredients listed is Monosodium Glutamate. Now, I know that there is controversy as to if MSG causes cancer or not, but it would make sense that it does based on how common the red pepper paste is when compared to how common stomach cancer is among Koreans, and not only Koreans, but anyone who eats unhealthy/foods with MSG.

I know that there could be many factors when condsidering cancer; environment, genes, life style/diet, etc., but I wanted to see what people thought about the MSG in the paste that is the Korean national flavor.
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MrRogers



Joined: 29 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2009 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

here's an old thread:

http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=147537&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=cancer&start=15
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madoka



Joined: 27 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2009 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I trust about 1% of what I read on Dave's. Most of the peanut gallery here is made up of nitwits.

For all the crap that Koreans get about kimchi and stomach cancer, they seem to not know Americans still have a higher overall rate of cancer. It seems the Korean diet produces stomach cancer, whereas the western diet encourages colon cancer.

Overall, without getting too technical, here are the overall cancer incidence rates per 100,000 for:

White male - 347
Black male - 437
Korean American male - 207
Korean male - 213-295

White female - 298
Black female - 261
Korean American female - 160
Korean female - 97-167

http://moffitt.org/CCJRoot/v14n1/pdf/78.pdf

I guess this just goes to show the indestructibility of Korean adjummas.
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MrRogers



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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2009 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.wjgnet.com/1007-9327/11/3175.asp
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bassexpander



Joined: 13 Sep 2007
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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2009 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a larger incidence of stomach cancer here, due to the spicy foods they eat. An endoscopy was part of my regular physical here, which shocked my family (which includes a few nurses) back home.
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Robot_Teacher



Joined: 18 Feb 2009
Location: Robotting Around the World

PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2009 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

While the excessive MSG is very bad, the industrial pollution from manufacturing and air pollution from vehicles and other exhausts hanging low in valleys where cities are built contributes to bad health. The excessive smoking and drinking whatever that stuff in green and brown bottles is also contributes to serious health complications. Korea is living for today only.
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Xuanzang



Joined: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Sadang

PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2009 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spicy food washed down with soju. EVer seen the ajeoshi works through bowls of the radish or cabbage soju and ask for 3rds? Years of that has to contribute to stomach cancer.
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Seoul'n'Corea



Joined: 06 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2009 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bassexpander wrote:
There is a larger incidence of stomach cancer here, due to the spicy foods they eat. An endoscopy was part of my regular physical here, which shocked my family (which includes a few nurses) back home.


Well no, that is NOT why.

The reason for stomach cancer is because of two things,

a) The use of preserved foods such as Kimchi encourages a growth of a bacteria called heliobacter which eventually can cause some sorts of gastro instininal cancers. This bacteria irritates the lining of the stomach and leads to ulcers (over a repeated exposure)

b) the use of bracken fern (gosari) in things like bibimbap and a few other dishes is possibly another reason. Braken fern is HIGHLY toxic and contains Thiamase. ---> in animals it causes tumors of the stomach.
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by2004



Joined: 20 Mar 2009
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PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2009 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't forget a higher incidence of Hep A/B/C cases that can be passed down from generation to generation. This is probably true of Koreans in their 30's and over. Liver cancer is a serious problem. Comparatively more Americans die of other cancers at a higher rate. Stress plays a big part in cancer rates. It's a stressful country to live in.
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bassexpander



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PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2009 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seoul'n'Corea wrote:

b) the use of bracken fern (gosari) in things like bibimbap and a few other dishes is possibly another reason. Braken fern is HIGHLY toxic and contains Thiamase. ---> in animals it causes tumors of the stomach.



Is that the bitter-tasting leaf that has sort of a spiny look to it?
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Yaya



Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2009 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Diabetes is quite common here, too.
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jdog2050



Joined: 17 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2009 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seoul'n'Corea wrote:
bassexpander wrote:
There is a larger incidence of stomach cancer here, due to the spicy foods they eat. An endoscopy was part of my regular physical here, which shocked my family (which includes a few nurses) back home.


Well no, that is NOT why.

The reason for stomach cancer is because of two things,

a) The use of preserved foods such as Kimchi encourages a growth of a bacteria called heliobacter which eventually can cause some sorts of gastro instininal cancers. This bacteria irritates the lining of the stomach and leads to ulcers (over a repeated exposure)

b) the use of bracken fern (gosari) in things like bibimbap and a few other dishes is possibly another reason. Braken fern is HIGHLY toxic and contains Thiamase. ---> in animals it causes tumors of the stomach.


omg...gosari is toxic?
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b-class rambler



Joined: 25 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2009 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excessive salt consumption is the factor I've heard mentioned most often as contributing to stomach cancer.

Most stomach cancer rate stats that I've seen list Japan as the no.1, with Korea and the UK usually in the next 2 or 3 places. Those 3 being the countries that I've spent over 90% of my life in, I suppose I should be worried. In fact, to some extent, I AM a little worried.

But you have to always keep in mind that these kinds of stats reflect the diet and lifestyle over several decades before, not necessarily present or recent trends and conditions. Also, there are so many other factors, besides diet, that can contribute to an increased cancer risk.
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Robot_Teacher



Joined: 18 Feb 2009
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PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2009 11:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quoted from wikipedia.
Wiki wrote:
"In East Asia, Pteridium aquilinum (fernbrake or bracken fiddleheads) is eaten as a vegetable, called warabi (蕨 / わらび) in Japan, gosari (고사리) in Korea, and ju�c�i (蕨菜) in China and Taiwan. In Korea, a typical banchan (small side dish) is gosari-namul (고사리나물) that consists of prepared fernbrake that has been sauteed. It is a component of the popular dish bibimbap.

Bracken has been shown to be carcinogenic in some animals and is thought to be an important cause of the high incidence of stomach cancer in Japan. It is currently under investigation as a possible source of new insecticides."


If this is true, it's not fit for human consumption, but maybe a good natural alternative insecticide. I had a hunch many Korean, Chinese, and Japanese foods are not as healthy as I was brought up to believe due to ignorance. When I had a discussion with a Korean who speaks good English on the issues of chemical brew and chemical laced food, her educated reply was, "Oh, I know, it's terrible, people just don't know what they're doing." I'm like, "it's a good thing I at least partially know what I'm doing due to being educated and able to recognize terrible qualities when I see, smell, and taste something" I thought I was tasting something bad. Also the East Asian diet severely lacks fresh foods.
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