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Mosley



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 1:36 pm    Post subject: Canadian "imperialism"! Reply with quote

Any last doubts that tenure must be abolished at Western universities?

http://www.newstalk980.com/blogs/tammy-robert/open-letter-u-r-re-project-hero-including-namescontact-details-all-16-professors#comment-45630

In case you missed one other point, these tenured radicals, who are in the top 20%(maybe even top 10%) of all income earners in Canada, have their offspring go to classes at the Univ. of Regina TUITION FREE!
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conrad2



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Canadian imperialism? HaHaHa. Even if held at gunpoint and tortured, I dont think the Afghan people will take a shine to ice hockey and maple syrup. These professors should be stripped of their tenure for uttering such a ridicculous term as "Canadian imperialism".
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mises



Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired

PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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To summarize, we are calling for:

(1) The immediate withdrawal of our university from �Project Hero�.


I disagree but typical leftist stuff.

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(2) An institutional deployment of public pressure on both orders of government to provide immediate funding sufficient for universal access to post-secondary education.


Universal? How about high school dropouts? Stupid people? Or is every kid in Sask smart enough to achieve something in uni or trade school? Who will flip my hamburgers? Let's flood the world with liberal arts grads doing Au pair work. Egalitarianism is a revolt against human nature.

Also, people smart enough already have "access". University and trade schools are cheap in Canada and the loans are easy to obtain.

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(3) A public forum on the war in Afghanistan and Canadian imperialism more generally to be held this semester before exams begin.


I'm strongly anti-war. Using phrases like "Canadian imperialism" will only turn off the moderate center of the voting population. Leftist academics are their own worst enemies. They have no idea how to relate to average people.

I'm sure this little letter is incredibly meaningful to those professors. They're really making a play for faculty lounge status here.
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mises



Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reading through the faculty who supported that letter is great fun. Not a single one would be employable in a private setting. I liked this lady quite a bit:

http://www.arts.uregina.ca/drupal/joyce-green
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Joyce Green is a Professor of Political Science at the University of Regina. Her research interest are currently focused on Aboriginal-settler relations and the possibilty of decolonization in Canada; and a transformative ecology of relationship with place, epitomized by many traditional Aboriginal conceptions of land and place.


A white leftist with a First Nations fetish. Go figure. She researches "decolonization in Canada". In other words: Cold Zimbabwe.
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Moldy Rutabaga



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But put this in perspective, that the petition was signed by 16 professors. While that's 16 ungrateful, bubble-headed cranks too many, it means that the majority of faculty didn't support the petition and said, "Waait a minute.. maybe the fact that soldiers bleed for our country has something to do with my academic freedom to teach..."

I went to Memorial University in Newfoundland. Memorial, as in a memorial for our fallen soldiers. It likely wouldn't fly there.


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caniff



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like most Americans I know next to jack-squat about Canada (besides Saint Catherine St. in Montreal and that Ottawa is the capital - yes! ), but be that as it may here's my question:

What areas/locations would you consider to be bastions of Canadian conservatism? I know Canada as a whole is generally considered to be fairly liberal, but I assume this is not uniformly the case.

So, what's up with that?
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catman



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

caniff wrote:
Like most Americans I know next to jack-squat about Canada (besides Saint Catherine St. in Montreal and that Ottawa is the capital - yes! ), but be that as it may here's my question:

What areas/locations would you consider to be bastions of Canadian conservatism? I know Canada as a whole is generally considered to be fairly liberal, but I assume this is not uniformly the case.

So, what's up with that?


We sometimes refer to Alberta as Texas north.
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mises



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

caniff wrote:

What areas/locations would you consider to be bastions of Canadian conservatism? I know Canada as a whole is generally considered to be fairly liberal, but I assume this is not uniformly the case.

So, what's up with that?


Alberta is conservative. Calgary is strongly conservative. Edmonton too. All of Alberta. Ontario outside of Toronto as well.

Quebec is culturally conservative in a weird way but economically they decided to be Sweden before obtaining a Swedish level of organization and income (ie Montreal used to be an economic power). They're quite ethnocentric. I don't find it distasteful anymore.
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caniff



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

catman wrote:


We sometimes refer to Alberta as Texas north.


Maybe they should form a union. They can be connected by that planned superhighway that had Lou Dobbs' panties in a bunch a while back.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mises wrote:
caniff wrote:

What areas/locations would you consider to be bastions of Canadian conservatism? I know Canada as a whole is generally considered to be fairly liberal, but I assume this is not uniformly the case.

So, what's up with that?


Alberta is conservative. Calgary is strongly conservative. Edmonton too. All of Alberta. Ontario outside of Toronto as well.

Quebec is culturally conservative in a weird way but economically they decided to be Sweden before obtaining a Swedish level of organization and income (ie Montreal used to be an economic power). They're quite ethnocentric. I don't find it distasteful anymore.


Ontario is conservative? No way. It's been a Liberal stronghold for a long time.

Maybe Northern Ontario but the southern part is much more liberal.
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Fox



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This program, which waives tuition and course fees, and provides $1,000 per year to �dependents of Canadian Forces personnel deceased while serving with an active mission�, is a glorification of Canadian imperialism in Afghanistan and elsewhere.


Canadian imperialism? Come on. I can respect their distaste with the military, but Canada doesn't practice imperalism, and suggesting otherwise makes me wonder if they don't have an over-inflated sense of Canada's importance in world affairs.

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... we suggest that our administration demand all levels of government provide funding sufficient for universal qualified access to post-secondary education.


Their demands might be worth considering if they were willing to take the severe wage cuts required to make it possible. Of course that's unlikely; they no doubt expect full government subsidization of higher education while they themselves retain lavish wages.

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*March 29th - At Leesa's request, I've removed the link to her name, as she insists that though she signed the letter, she did so accidentally. See the full text of her email here.

**Later, March 29th - Leesa's insistence that I remove her name from the list is getting annoying. Fine Streifler, you never signed it... well okay, you did, but you didn't know what you were signing. Whatever - I've removed your name from my blog, so it must have never happened... it was all a terrible dream...


This is cute.
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Sergio Stefanuto



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 9:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Canadian "imperialism"! Reply with quote

Mosley wrote:
Any last doubts that tenure must be abolished at Western universities?


No doubt here. Universities should be flung to the market and not a penny received from government. Hopefully the linguistics and sociology profs will then be able to contribute to society in ways appropriate to their experience and skills - cleaning public toilets, perhaps, or working at McDonalds?
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jvalmer



Joined: 06 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheUrbanMyth wrote:
mises wrote:
Alberta is conservative. Calgary is strongly conservative. Edmonton too. All of Alberta. Ontario outside of Toronto as well.

Quebec is culturally conservative in a weird way but economically they decided to be Sweden before obtaining a Swedish level of organization and income (ie Montreal used to be an economic power). They're quite ethnocentric. I don't find it distasteful anymore.


Ontario is conservative? No way. It's been a Liberal stronghold for a long time.

Maybe Northern Ontario but the southern part is much more liberal.


905 belt is strongly conservative and once you're outside of the Horseshoe and Ottawa, you might as well be in rural Alberta.
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bacasper



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can I sign?

Anything that opposes our out-of-control militarism is worth supporting.
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The Happy Warrior



Joined: 10 Feb 2010

PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 12:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The underlying problem is that humanities education in the 20th Century has migrated away from the classical core curricula, through the Bildung Ideal, and into its current sociological post-modern quagmire. The influence of the scientific method has been harmful for the traditional humanities, which really only survives as a core classics program dispersed through a few dozen universities, also known in some places as Great Books programs.

Today, sociology (as opposed to the old humanities) acts as if the scientific method can and should be applied to the study of mankind. Certainly, there is room for statistics and quantitative analysis of human behavior in our universities. But the focus of a humanities education should be on cultivating a broad base of abilities which encompasses critical reading, persuasive writing, and sound judgment. Therefore, a humanities curriculum should place at least as much emphasis on classical literature, philosophy, political theory and history, and even perhaps language*, as it does on anything remotely modern or timely. Such a curriculum would include studies of Homer, Plato, of Plutarch's Lives, of the Bible, and of Renaissance and Enlightenment thinkers (take your pick, really). This humanities curriculum, in addition to cultivating the core abilities above, would also remove students from too early a contemplation of timely issues. By immersing the students in a more historical mindset, this liberates them artfully from the common political opinions (and parties) and allows them a better perspective.

Certainly, many modern sociology specializations offer a sample of such classes. But these so-called 'liberal arts' degrees should not even be called liberal as long as they emphasize specialization in one field over the other liberal arts. And the damage of such specialization can be seen in the way the market treats 'liberal arts' graduates. Jobs go to such graduates who have the requisite specialization, but in many cases there are simply not many jobs to be had for degrees in history or literature. I'm not saying that an ideal humanities education should be primarily suited towards placing its graduates in the job market. No, the primary task of a humanities education is to make better, happier, more self-aware citizens. But its no small deficiency of post-modern sociological education that it prepares its graduates for little else besides a career in their specialization in academia. There, they can add their little research building block to the advancement of human knowledge. Thus, the scientific method has made liberal arts graduates a shadow of their former selves.

An indirect effect of this is the perpetuation and inculcation of certain political dogmas originating in the 1960s. Thus, the continued fight against 'imperialism' armed with 'protest' methods. Its time we got beyond the 60s' shallow narcissism, isn't it?

*There is much to be said, however, for eschewing the study of Latin and Greek for the sake of pursuing living languages
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