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bassexpander



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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 3:29 pm    Post subject: Temporary stay can be counted toward Korean citizenship Reply with quote

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2009/05/117_44447.html

I wonder if this means anything to us? Maybe not. How many of us would apply for Korean citizenship?


By Park Si-soo
Staff Reporter

A court issued a ruling acknowledging a foreign national's temporary stay here as part of their period of residency in South Korea, making it easier for foreigners pursuing Korean citizenship to meet the three-year residence period.

The period of residence on a G-1 visa ㅡ a temporarily residential visa issued to foreigners involved in a lawsuit or receiving medical treatment here ㅡ had not been acknowledged as part of the official residency period in the country.

But the Seoul Administrative Court ruled Wednesday the period on G-1 should be added when the immigration office calculates a foreigner's period of residency in South Korea.

It's the first ruling of its kind. With some similar suits pending in courts, the Korea Immigration Service will review the ruling statement and, if necessary, amend relevant regulations.

An ethnic Korean in China, identified as Park, whose father is legally Korean, arrived here on an F-1 employment visa on Oct. 29, 2005, and reported his residence to the government. The man changed his visa type to a working-visit H-2 visa on April 10, 2007. With the new visa, he was set to leave the country by Oct. 28, 2008.

In early October of 2008, Park asked immigration authorities to extend his residential period, citing a lawsuit in which he was involved, and the authorities issued a temporarily residential G-1 visa.

While in Korea on G-1 visa, Park applied for Korean citizenship on Jan. 19, insisting he is eligible to apply for Korean citizenship since he has lived here for more than three years since October 2005.

The immigration office rejected the application, saying his residential period on his H-2 and G-1 visas cannot be put together. The office claimed the issuance of H-2 or G-1 visas was based on completely different backgrounds and therefore, each residential period on H-2 and G-1 cannot be combined when determining the residential period.

He filed a suit against the authorities with the Seoul Administration Court and the court sided with the ethnic Korean.

Presiding Judge Kim Jong-pil said, ``Current law stipulates certain residential period to apply for citizenship. But it doesn't refer to any specific visa types, meaning foreigners residing here on any visa for more than three years are all eligible to apply for Korean citizenship.''

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Otherside



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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What are the other requirements to apply for Korean citizenship?

The case in question, seems pretty confusing. The guy's father is Korean, thus wouldn't he atleast be eligible for an F-4 visa right from the get-go? (Which is a far "better" visa than the others mentioned). In most countries having parents who are citizens of a country almost always streamlines the process in obtaining citizenship.

After hearing about Ttompatz's difficulties obtaining an F-5 visa, wouldn't citizenship naturally be harder to obtain - if one doesn't have a blood or marriage link to Korea?
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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I met a Pakistani guy a few years ago who told me Korean citizenship was a few months away for him. He said you had to prove some contribution to Korea (he owned a business) and had to pass a test in Korean (his uni major was Korean). So apparently you don't have to be of Korean descent to become a citizen.

But I do wonder what an F-1 visa is... anyone know?
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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cdninkorea wrote:
I met a Pakistani guy a few years ago who told me Korean citizenship was a few months away for him. He said you had to prove some contribution to Korea (he owned a business) and had to pass a test in Korean (his uni major was Korean). So apparently you don't have to be of Korean descent to become a citizen.

But I do wonder what an F-1 visa is... anyone know?


While I'm pretty sure on paper that Korean descent is not a strict requirement, I wouldn't be surprised if when it came time for your Pakistani friend to apply for citizenship his application came back rejected.

Ttompatz filled all the requirements for an F-5 visa, yet he didn't make it. His contribution to Korean society was teaching (and judging by his posts, I'd guess he was quite an upstanding bloke all round) Korean students at a public school for many years.
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OculisOrbis



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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i thought one of the requirements that most hindered people was 10 years on continuous employment. if you change jobs, then you start back at zero...at least in the case of e-series holders.
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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Otherside wrote:
cdninkorea wrote:
I met a Pakistani guy a few years ago who told me Korean citizenship was a few months away for him. He said you had to prove some contribution to Korea (he owned a business) and had to pass a test in Korean (his uni major was Korean). So apparently you don't have to be of Korean descent to become a citizen.

But I do wonder what an F-1 visa is... anyone know?


While I'm pretty sure on paper that Korean descent is not a strict requirement, I wouldn't be surprised if when it came time for your Pakistani friend to apply for citizenship his application came back rejected.

Ttompatz filled all the requirements for an F-5 visa, yet he didn't make it. His contribution to Korean society was teaching (and judging by his posts, I'd guess he was quite an upstanding bloke all round) Korean students at a public school for many years.


Teaching at a public school is obviously not considered enough of a contribution. Really any native speaker with a degree can do it...at least that seems to be what the powers that be think.
This is not a slam at Ttompatz (who was one of the sanest and level-headed posters around). Simply pointing out it would seem that you have to do more to distinguish yourself. Maybe if he'd written an essay about how Dokdo is Korean territory or something... Wink So I don't think that teaching at a public school is considered as a viable factor in obtaining the F-5 visa.
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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 8:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Temporary stay can be counted toward Korean citizenship Reply with quote

bassexpander wrote:
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2009/05/117_44447.html

I wonder if this means anything to us? Maybe not. How many of us would apply for Korean citizenship?


r



Seeing as we have to give up our original citizenship...I really can't see it being all that many. I do recall one Canadian on here doing that though...
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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 9:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Temporary stay can be counted toward Korean citizenship Reply with quote

TheUrbanMyth wrote:
bassexpander wrote:
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2009/05/117_44447.html

I wonder if this means anything to us? Maybe not. How many of us would apply for Korean citizenship?


r



Seeing as we have to give up our original citizenship...I really can't see it being all that many. I do recall one Canadian on here doing that though...


They made an announcement a month or so ago about dual citizenship coming in some cases. So while you currently might have to give up your citizenship in the future that might not be so.

For anyone who is here on an F5, married with kids, the opportunity to obtain dual citizenship might be worthwhile.
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cdninkorea



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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 9:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Temporary stay can be counted toward Korean citizenship Reply with quote

crossmr wrote:
For anyone who is here on an F5, married with kids, the opportunity to obtain dual citizenship might be worthwhile.


I'm curious as to what benefits citizenship carries over an F5 visa. I guess one would be voting in presidential elections... others?
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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 9:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Temporary stay can be counted toward Korean citizenship Reply with quote

crossmr wrote:
TheUrbanMyth wrote:
bassexpander wrote:
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2009/05/117_44447.html

I wonder if this means anything to us? Maybe not. How many of us would apply for Korean citizenship?


r



Seeing as we have to give up our original citizenship...I really can't see it being all that many. I do recall one Canadian on here doing that though...


They made an announcement a month or so ago about dual citizenship coming in some cases. So while you currently might have to give up your citizenship in the future that might not be so.

For anyone who is here on an F5, married with kids, the opportunity to obtain dual citizenship might be worthwhile.


Yes, they said that dual citizenship (if it happened) would be for Korean men who have completed military service or non-Koreans with "special skills"

I'm thinking these "special skills" involve a great deal more than merely speaking English or being married to a Korean.

I also imagine the definition of "special skills" will be strictly applied when a non-Korean tries to get dual citizenship.

Not to mention that if you DID manage to get dual citizenship...you'd better do it when you are past 40 or so....mandatory military service doesn't sound all that fun.
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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheUrbanMyth wrote:
Otherside wrote:
cdninkorea wrote:
I met a Pakistani guy a few years ago who told me Korean citizenship was a few months away for him. He said you had to prove some contribution to Korea (he owned a business) and had to pass a test in Korean (his uni major was Korean). So apparently you don't have to be of Korean descent to become a citizen.

But I do wonder what an F-1 visa is... anyone know?


While I'm pretty sure on paper that Korean descent is not a strict requirement, I wouldn't be surprised if when it came time for your Pakistani friend to apply for citizenship his application came back rejected.

Ttompatz filled all the requirements for an F-5 visa, yet he didn't make it. His contribution to Korean society was teaching (and judging by his posts, I'd guess he was quite an upstanding bloke all round) Korean students at a public school for many years.


Teaching at a public school is obviously not considered enough of a contribution. Really any native speaker with a degree can do it...at least that seems to be what the powers that be think.
This is not a slam at Ttompatz (who was one of the sanest and level-headed posters around). Simply pointing out it would seem that you have to do more to distinguish yourself. Maybe if he'd written an essay about how Dokdo is Korean territory or something... Wink So I don't think that teaching at a public school is considered as a viable factor in obtaining the F-5 visa.


That's the problem. While it may not be the most demanding job, nor are the requirements that high, it is a valuable contribution.
Firstly you are providing skills which are in demand and secondly, you are helping to educate and enriching the lives of hundreds of Korean kids. Why isn't that a "valuable contribution"?

My original query was "does anyone know the exact requirements" and there have been no concrete answers. However, the consensus seems to be that the requirements are very vague with subjective terms like "valuable contribution" being thrown about.

Many of us come from diverse countries which have literally been built by immigration, and these extremely exclusive immigration laws are a pretty bitter pill to swallow. Especially since millions of Koreans have benefited from such laws and have settled across the "magic 7" countries.
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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It would also mean your kids would have to do military service. The boys at least.
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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 10:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Temporary stay can be counted toward Korean citizenship Reply with quote

TheUrbanMyth wrote:



Yes, they said that dual citizenship (if it happened) would be for Korean men who have completed military service or non-Koreans with "special skills"

I'm thinking these "special skills" involve a great deal more than merely speaking English or being married to a Korean.

I also imagine the definition of "special skills" will be strictly applied when a non-Korean tries to get dual citizenship.

Not to mention that if you DID manage to get dual citizenship...you'd better do it when you are past 40 or so....mandatory military service doesn't sound all that fun.


Not just speaking english but if you opened a chain of successful english schools, or made some other significant contribution above and beyond you might qualify. Its likely that as time passes those restrictions might become less and less. Far more koreans moving abroad might push for this and in doing so it might ease up on the restrictions for foreigners who marry Koreans from some countries.

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It would also mean your kids would have to do military service. The boys at least.
That has nothing to do with your citizenship. if you have kids with a Korean the kids get dual citizenship until they hit 20 or 21 then they have to choose either Korean or whatever yours is, and they choose Korean they have to go to the military.

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I'm curious as to what benefits citizenship carries over an F5 visa. I guess one would be voting in presidential elections... others?

True citizenship number for accessing services.
Korean passport (which may or may not be helpful)
Ability to hold different government jobs plus other job sectors that might be limited to an F2/F5 visa.
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