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saint_moi



Joined: 06 Apr 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2004 5:02 am    Post subject: Formatting with XP Reply with quote

Im gonna format tonight with XP again. Question is; do I have to format c:/ and use a boot disk and that shlep? I can format from cd right?

The cd's installation menu doesn't have any format options. Do share some format wisdom if u have any Wink

Much obliged.
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wylde



Joined: 14 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2004 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

if it is a windows disk, it should be bootable.

make sure the cmos is set to boot from cd.

not an expert compared to some here but i think that won't be a problem
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ryleeys



Joined: 22 Dec 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2004 5:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

XP is based on the NT programming and therefore you can format as a function of the setup process... pop your cd in, reboot, go into the setup/format process, and have a ball.


I reformatted my old machine so often (most of the time just for kicks), that I could wipe the drive completely clean with an NTFS format and have it back up and running with all the bells and whistles (drivers, MS Office, winamp, AIM, etc.) within an hour.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2004 5:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It depends on what release of the Windows XP installation CD you have. Some versions actually do not have it, such as an upgrade disk or even some releases of the Manufacturers CD.

It is however a couple steps in, so maybe you didn't go far enough into the process ?? ALL are prior to an irreverisble damage obviously.

Another release of it also was screwy where the option only came up when it found no partition in which to install it ...

Of course the only way to know that is to remove the partition and then run the install .... not a great thing to do unless you know how to recover the parition ...

Try going further until you know you're screwed

Or simply delete your partition, create a new one (or not) and install

Willing to help more if you need it ....

Of course, yes, you need a boot from CD option ..... but I think you realize that ......
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saint_moi



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2004 5:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boot from cd doesn't format my hard drive. I dunno, should i format c:/ then boot from cd? I'll wait a while n see if anyone has a super duper simple troubleshoot method for me Smile
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ryleeys



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2004 5:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're having problems finding the format option in the setup process, you might wanna put off doing this until you have someone with a real strong computer background in the room with you...
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2004 5:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ryleeys wrote:
I reformatted my old machine so often (most of the time just for kicks), that I could wipe the drive completely clean with an NTFS format and have it back up and running with all the bells and whistles (drivers, MS Office, winamp, AIM, etc.) within an hour.


Just as a side-academic-note ....

Formatting a drive hardly wipes a drive completely clean, or even nearly partly clean.

A drive with a removed partition or one that has been formatted can have it's data completely recovered.

Formatting only removes the special tables called the Master File Tables (MFT) and a few tiny other things.

Coincidentally those tables are backed up on the drive in "secure" areas that allow a drive to be "unformatted" as well, thus recovering a disk.

It's deceptive, that when you format a drive it takes a good long while and makes you think it's wiping things .... it simply removes those tables that tell the computer that there is data and where it is so it can find it. The computer then thinks that the drive is empty, reports it as empty and installs things fresh to an "empty" drive.

The data is all there in fact and can be recovered. The long process that you think it's wiping data .... is simply doing an extended disk integrity check.

To start with a fresh clean drive you have to wipe the drive and reset all the bits to a zero. So if you give a friend a drive and you formatted it before you did so, or sell it to someone, etc (HINT HINT to those of you selling your laptops on the internet, such as here) ... you want to do a solid secure data wipe otherwise you can have someone find anything that was on that drive.

Just my 77.23 cents worth
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ryleeys



Joined: 22 Dec 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2004 5:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent technical point... I formatted my home computer mostly for poops and giggles... but when I was working IT for Northrop Grumman, we had to do some serious disk wiping procedures on the classified drives that were being rebuilt... fortunately, we had this cool machine that you plugged a master drive into and then the other to be wiped clean and it did all the work then made an image of the master drive... though some drives we had to wipe clean, then physically destroy and send the remnants to other places for further death and destruction...


We did also have some fun with taking new drives that were bad and setting them on fire... also a fun past time.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2004 5:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

saint_moi wrote:
Boot from cd doesn't format my hard drive. I dunno, should i format c:/ then boot from cd? I'll wait a while n see if anyone has a super duper simple troubleshoot method for me Smile


Believe me when I say that I mean no offense, but if you have to ask the question of someone, then that means you should not do it !! Very Happy

Not being mean, believe me, it's just that once it's gone, it's gone, unless you know how to get it back and most people really don't know.

You're next choice is to simply have a windows boot disk, such as a windows 98 Emergency Recovery Disk (http://www.bootdisk.com) ... it will let you boot the machine, delete the partition, make a new partition, format, etc if you want to ... but "almost" required to do .... Then run the install on this new partition.

Or, have someone there with you, or possibly via phone.

If you have a commercial CD then ODDS ARE you are missing it somewhere or something, not many people have the flaky CD. But if you have the CD that is from your computer manufacturer then you ......

Well ..... make sure you know what you want to do before you do it.

If you have nothing you give a C R A P about on the machine, and willing to lose, you can play .....
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saint_moi



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2004 5:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lonely i gotcha, but i really wanna clean EVERYTHING off. I downloaded a ton of films during Seollal and after that its been running like a 486. My performance manager shows my cpu working at 100% all the time, so somethings up. I still have plenty of space so thats not the prob. Norton doesnt detect any virus's but i had plenty in the recent weeks. VirVirus's or whatever, i dont care, i just wanna clean it all up and start again.

1. make boot disk

2.format c:/ in dos

3.boot with boot disk and change CMOS to boot from cd

4. insert XP cd (not original Laughing) and install...

right? Embarassed
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ryleeys



Joined: 22 Dec 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2004 5:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Formatting doesn't neccessariyl wipe away a virus... a trojan is still gonna sit there and eat away at your system resources.

You need to do a little more work to have a well run system than just a reformat.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2004 5:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could be as simple as some junk running in the background and easily fixed, but let's not bother. Trojans, etc can be running and may in theory be there after you have done so ..... it's hard to say .... but you SHOULD be safe with the process.

It's touchy

I am a regular wipe and install person ... couple times a year

So yes ......

Make the boot disk ... the best one is usually the Win98SE ERD

Boot with disk and format ..... also can remove the parition with FDISK, then make new parition, and format, as it will do automatically .....

Boot now with the CD in the drive with the boot via cd option enabled

CD should boot and you go through the installation process

Should be that easy ...... yea
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saint_moi



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2004 5:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have Norton 2004 antivirus sware but it doesnt detect any virus's. A week ago it notifed me i had Backdoor.jeem that it couldnt clean.

Fact remains my system is running soooo slowly im happy to format and cleanup n start again.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2004 5:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Generally I think in a practical sense you should be okay by doing as suggested and just wipe and start over .....

But you may also try, for fun, and again, (my second favorite phrase) purely for academic reasons try the cleaning process for the TROJAN you had/have .......

http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/backdoor.jeem.html

...... whatya think you'll do ..... if you want help let us know or contact me via PM if you want some numbers to call if you are offline and need help
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saint_moi



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2004 6:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dude, youre my new personal hero!
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