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moosehead
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AsiaESLbound
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| I'm afraid the US is becoming more like China with Chinese communist dictatorship eventually taking over. |
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Senior
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| Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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This reminds me of that episode of South Park.
Something like this would probably be a final straw. People are pretty addicted to the internet and this would drive a lot of people completely insane. I'm all for it. The moment the "final straw" drops will be a glorious time. |
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The Happy Warrior
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| Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm afraid the US is becoming more like China with Chinese communist dictatorship eventually taking over. |
Your fears are silly. |
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Fox
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| Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Instead of giving the president broad, vague powers, I'd far rather the United States focused on possessing the technical expertise required to deal with problems as they emerged. |
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ReeseDog
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| Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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| We need a new president. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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^ Just which Republocrat would you suggest?
Are you seriously suggesting that another one would not be doing the same exact thing? |
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AsiaESLbound
Joined: 07 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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| The Happy Warrior wrote: |
| AsiaESLbound wrote: |
| I'm afraid the US is becoming more like China with Chinese communist dictatorship eventually taking over. |
Your fears are silly. |
It wasn't very long ago the Chinese government cut off part of the country from having internet and Google was about to pull up stakes. This all happened in fairly recent times inside the current year. Not silly at all considering that America owes more money to China than it can ever pay back and the Chinese are immigrating in droves to operate businesses. |
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moosehead
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| Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| Instead of giving the president broad, vague powers, I'd far rather the United States focused on possessing the technical expertise required to deal with problems as they emerged. |
that's the most logical, intelligent statement anyone has made in a long time.
too bad it'll probably never happen  |
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The Happy Warrior
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These powers would be consistent with the President's current Constitutional mandate as the Executive. Our reliance on the internet leaves us exposed to cyber-attacks, particularly from the Chinese. This is an extreme measure proportional to a great emergency.
That said, this bill could probably be improved, and I'm not against proper safeguards being added. But the powers to be granted shouldn't be controversial to those who already accept the President's paramount responsibility over national security. |
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Sergio Stefanuto
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| Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 12:57 am Post subject: |
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| AsiaESLbound wrote: |
| I'm afraid the US is becoming more like China with Chinese communist dictatorship eventually taking over. |
Well, with all due respect, whose brilliant idea was it to vote for this malevolent, platitudinous fiend in the first place? It certainly wasn't mine. I've hated him from day one. I detested him the very first time I ever heard him open his mouth.
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Just what is Obama going to do in his shirt sleeves, except impress the gullible? He might as well have shown up in a tuxedo with white tie, for all the difference it makes. This government is not about governing. It is about creating an impression. That worked on the campaign trail in 2008, but it is a disaster in the White House. Obama's political success in the 2008 election campaign was a spectacular triumph of creating images and impressions. But creating political impressions and images is not the same thing as governing. Yet Obama in the White House keeps on saying and doing things to impress people, instead of governing.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2010/06/15/oil_vs_snake_oil_105964.html |
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chellovek
Joined: 29 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 1:18 am Post subject: |
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| Sergio Stefanuto wrote: |
| AsiaESLbound wrote: |
| I'm afraid the US is becoming more like China with Chinese communist dictatorship eventually taking over. |
Well, with all due respect, whose brilliant idea was it to vote for this malevolent, platitudinous fiend in the first place? It certainly wasn't mine. I've hated him from day one. I detested him the very first time I ever heard him open his mouth.
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Just what is Obama going to do in his shirt sleeves, except impress the gullible? He might as well have shown up in a tuxedo with white tie, for all the difference it makes. This government is not about governing. It is about creating an impression. That worked on the campaign trail in 2008, but it is a disaster in the White House. Obama's political success in the 2008 election campaign was a spectacular triumph of creating images and impressions. But creating political impressions and images is not the same thing as governing. Yet Obama in the White House keeps on saying and doing things to impress people, instead of governing.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2010/06/15/oil_vs_snake_oil_105964.html |
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Come over to my couch and take a lie down, dear old Serge. Why do you experience such negative emotions in relation to Obama? Tell me about your childhood and your relationship with your father.
Must admit seizing control of the internet sounds retrograde and scary. On the other hand, what are the odds of the Bill passing? I'm not sure I see people standing for it, at least not yet. Surely if it were all some dastardly conspiracy/plot to suppress quality sources of information such as the internet, they would first orchestrate some terrible cyber-warfare attack, and then move to bring in powers whilst everybody is scared witless at some conjured-up demon. I think they may just be mooting it to see what reaction it gets. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 3:27 am Post subject: |
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| The Happy Warrior wrote: |
These powers would be consistent with the President's current Constitutional mandate as the Executive. Our reliance on the internet leaves us exposed to cyber-attacks, particularly from the Chinese. This is an extreme measure proportional to a great emergency.
That said, this bill could probably be improved, and I'm not against proper safeguards being added. But the powers to be granted shouldn't be controversial to those who already accept the President's paramount responsibility over national security. |
What a load of garbage. There is absolutely ZERO excuse for government taking over the internet. Why don't you just give up all your liberties and let the government take care of you? Why don't we just declare Obama the emperor and let him do whatever he pleases? Seriously.
Anyone who argues we need to give up freedom for security is not fit to be an American. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 5:41 am Post subject: |
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| Sergio Stefanuto wrote: |
| AsiaESLbound wrote: |
| I'm afraid the US is becoming more like China with Chinese communist dictatorship eventually taking over. |
Well, with all due respect, whose brilliant idea was it to vote for this malevolent, platitudinous fiend in the first place? It certainly wasn't mine. I've hated him from day one. I detested him the very first time I ever heard him open his mouth. |
| Way to jump on the bandwagon, Serge. No one around here had this guy pegged as early as I did when, on Oct 29, 2007, well over a year before the election and when he was still a longshot to win the nomination, I wrote: |
For those who believe that one of the leading Democratic or Republican candidates will get us out of the mess we are in, I have some bad news.
As Ralph Nader stated, they are two wings of the same party, both of which are financed by the same people, and peopled by the same apparatus. In 2004, the main fundraiser for Bush was the president of Citibank, and the main fundraiser for Kerry was the vice president of Citibank.
Let's go back to the collapse of the Soviet Union when we were supposed to reap a "peace dividend." What did the rulers do? Well, under Clinton there was a greater expenditure for arms than under Reagan!
In 2001, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Air Force Gen. Richard Myers said, "It is very clear that Afghanistan is only a small piece of the US campaign that could last more than a lifetime." This ideology has been a barrage articulated not only by Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, et al., it is also the litany coming from the Democratic party, e.g. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama.
BO said on Sept. 4, 2007: "Hit Iran where it hurts." "Americans need to come together to confront the challenge posed by Iran. The war in Iraq has strengthened Iran which poses for us the greatest strategic challenge in the Middle East in a generation. Iran supports violent groups and sectarians in Iraq. Iran fuels terror and extremism in the Middle East. Iran is making progress on a nuclear program in defiance of the international community. Iran calls for Israel to be wiped off the map." He follows this up by calling for a pre-emptive military strike on Iran.
On Aug. 3, 2007, speaking at Princeton's Woodrow Wilson School of the International School for Scholars, BO called for a US attack on Pakistan, more troops in Afghanistan, and unilateral attacks on Iran and Pakistan, and strengthening the US military and intelligence apparatus across the planet.
You could not fit a sliver of paper in between the ideologies of Dick Cheney and Barack Obama. |
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The Happy Warrior
Joined: 10 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 7:06 am Post subject: |
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| visitorq wrote: |
| The Happy Warrior wrote: |
These powers would be consistent with the President's current Constitutional mandate as the Executive. Our reliance on the internet leaves us exposed to cyber-attacks, particularly from the Chinese. This is an extreme measure proportional to a great emergency.
That said, this bill could probably be improved, and I'm not against proper safeguards being added. But the powers to be granted shouldn't be controversial to those who already accept the President's paramount responsibility over national security. |
What a load of garbage. There is absolutely ZERO excuse for government taking over the internet. Why don't you just give up all your liberties and let the government take care of you? Why don't we just declare Obama the emperor and let him do whatever he pleases? Seriously.
Anyone who argues we need to give up freedom for security is not fit to be an American. |
So I'm not a real American now? Because of an opinion I hold?
You just lost the argument. |
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