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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005 Location: Next to a River
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Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 5:43 pm Post subject: What Is a College Degree Worth in China? |
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A series of debates about the Chinese education system.
You need to follow the link and then read the pages. The comments are also interesting.
My apologies if its already discussed elsewhere.
http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2010/12/02/what-is-a-college-degree-worth-in-china/reform-chinas-private-sector-14
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Reform the Private Sector
Yasheng Huang, professor of political economy
Few Promising Opportunities
Gordon G. Chang, author and columnist
High Test Scores, Low Ability
Yong Zhao, professor of education
A Stratified Education System
Qiang Zha, assistant professor of education
What the Graduates Go Through
Readers' Comments
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hondaicivic
Joined: 01 Jul 2010 Location: Daegu, South Korea
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Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 5:47 am Post subject: Re: What Is a College Degree Worth in China? |
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Summer Wine wrote: |
A series of debates about the Chinese education system.
You need to follow the link and then read the pages. The comments are also interesting.
My apologies if its already discussed elsewhere.
http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2010/12/02/what-is-a-college-degree-worth-in-china/reform-chinas-private-sector-14
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Reform the Private Sector
Yasheng Huang, professor of political economy
Few Promising Opportunities
Gordon G. Chang, author and columnist
High Test Scores, Low Ability
Yong Zhao, professor of education
A Stratified Education System
Qiang Zha, assistant professor of education
What the Graduates Go Through
Readers' Comments
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cheaper than a chinese girlfriend.... |
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Panda

Joined: 25 Oct 2008
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Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 8:07 am Post subject: |
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First of all, China has a few good colleges that could compete with those from other countries. The government is investing a considerable amount of money in some certain areas, like super computer or bio-engineering , alternative energy etc. to make sure we could keep up with others.
Secondly, The vast majority is low-leveled (by the common definition of a good college)... some graduate from an English literature department I met a few years ago could not write a full English article, and the cases are not rare.
But even so it is better than no education, I think the government is doing a right thing to give more people opportunity , although if its real "higher education" is questionable
Thirdly, since the country is so developmentalism driven that the requirement for fast development magically creates many excellent human resources itself.
I will give you an example: my brother in law went into a second-class university in my hometown where he spent all his time playing video games and watching movies in PC bang. His major was Electric Automitization. But after he graduated he didnt get any idea what he learned and then he started to study computer language by himself and found a job in a software company, when computer just became popular in China. He is now working for Oracle as a technical manager in Beijing, well paid.
Fourth, 30 years ago, China sent many students to the USA and other developed countries, now, they started to buy those brains back with the money they made from making lots of cheap products. when you go to a university, its not surprise to see many professors have experience working or studying aboard.
All in all, cheaper than a Chinese girlfriend as it is, working better than you imagine.
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cragesmure
Joined: 23 Oct 2010
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Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 9:41 am Post subject: |
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Panda wrote: |
First of all, China has a few good colleges that could compete with those from other countries. The government is investing a considerable amount of money in some certain areas, like super computer or bio-engineering , alternative energy etc. to make sure we could keep up with others.
Secondly, The vast majority is low-leveled (by the common definition of a good college)... some graduate from an English literature department I met a few years ago could not write a full English article, and the cases are not rare.
But even so it is better than no education, I think the government is doing a right thing to give more people opportunity , although if its real "higher education" is questionable
Thirdly, since the country is so developmentalism driven that the requirement for fast development magically creates many excellent human resources itself.
I will give you an example: my brother in law went into a second-class university in my hometown where he spent all his time playing video games and watching movies in PC bang. His major was Electric Automitization. But after he graduated he didnt get any idea what he learned and then he started to study computer language by himself and found a job in a software company, when computer just became popular in China. He is now working for Oracle as a technical manager in Beijing, well paid.
Fourth, 30 years ago, China sent many students to the USA and other developed countries, now, they started to buy those brains back with the money they made from making lots of cheap products. when you go to a university, its not surprise to see many professors have experience working or studying aboard.
All in all, cheaper than a Chinese girlfriend as it is, working better than you imagine.
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Yeah I have to agree. I have only taught in one university in China and one in Korea, but the uni I taught at in Beijing was far ahead of the one I teach at here. Granted, that's a small sample size, but the point remains. The students were better and more dedicated, the professors were more knowledgable and professional and everyone was much more respectful and open to new ideas regarding improving the quality of education.
I think too many people like to bash China because they disagree with the government or whatever. I'm not a fan of the Chinese government, either, but it's narrow-minded to think that the government is representative of the people, education system, social workings, etc as a whole. I'm also not a fan of my own government, and there are a lot of morons back home in Australia, but that doesn't mean that we are a bunch of monkeys. Chimps, maybe, but not monkeys. |
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madoka

Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 10:06 am Post subject: |
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cragesmure wrote: |
I'm also not a fan of my own government, and there are a lot of morons back home in Australia, but that doesn't mean that we are a bunch of monkeys. Chimps, maybe, but not monkeys. |
American: Too bad New Zealanders are a bunch of cocky a-holes descended from criminals and retarded monkeys.
Jemaine: No, you're thinking of Australians. |
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