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ytuque
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Sleepy in Seoul
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Location: Going in ever decreasing circles until I eventually disappear up my own fundament - in NZ
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| TOEFL and TOEIC are crap tests anyway. |
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fustiancorduroy
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| Sleepy in Seoul wrote: |
| TOEFL and TOEIC are crap tests anyway. |
The TOEFL is a good test for what it is (a college entrance exam test), but the TOEIC...not so much.
The TEPS is much worse than either of them. |
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rooster_2006
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Haha, I LOVE the part of the article where they try to draw a comparison between English learners in Germany and English learners in Korea and try to suggest for even an instant that Koreans speak better English than Germans...
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| For the grounds, the director pointed out although Germans have higher TOEFL scores than Koreans, it does not necessarily mean Germans are better at English. She said many German test applicants are university or graduate students, while in Korea, many elementary and secondary school students take the TOEFL. |
Yeah, the ONLY reason Germans score higher is because they take the test later in their academic careers. Riiight... |
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Hyeon Een
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Germans will be 10x better at speaking on average.
The Koreans would probably destroy them on knowledge of obscure vocabulary though. The lists of words students learn do my head in. My vocabulary is well above average for a native English speaker but it's not uncommon for me to discover my students learning words I'm at best pretty unfamiliar with or at worst have never heard of. (And just to clarify, I'm not like a certain poster here who didn't know the word 'conflagration' and thought it was obscure, my vocabulary is somewhat larger than that fellow's.)
Obviously in practical terms the Germans will be way better. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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| fustiancorduroy wrote: |
| Sleepy in Seoul wrote: |
| TOEFL and TOEIC are crap tests anyway. |
The TOEFL is a good test for what it is (a college entrance exam test), but the TOEIC...not so much.
The TEPS is much worse than either of them. |
The new iBT test has it's faults but is a vast, vast improvement over the old written one. Getting hagwon teachers to take it is a good start, but it could lead to even more importance placed on hagwons at the expense of PSs. |
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lifeinkorea
Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China
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| Posted: Thu May 14, 2009 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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Program myself to memorize words/sounds I won't use and pay for it?  |
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