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sigmundsmith



Joined: 22 Nov 2007

PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2009 3:55 pm    Post subject: Korea is number '1'... Reply with quote

... in seeing how many of their fellow citizens they can run over in the morning on the way to work.

It just amazes me that this morning I saw one poor man hit by a car as he was walking across the crosswalk on the green man. The other cars had stopped but the outside lane (with no car waiting) meant that obviously a self important man could run through on a red light sending this guy across the front of the car.

Then 10 mins later, a bus running a red light (again) collides with a car who was driving through a green light.

The Koreans excuse. They are busy and in a rush. Well, so are people in London and New York. But that doesn't solve the problem which occurs daily here.

I vaguely remember that the government introduced a law a few years back that made it comulsory to have young children restrained or placed in a capsule while driving (please correct me on this). Koreans were very much against this as they felt that they were being told what to do.

Well, these actions affect others. So the simple solution is redlight cameras. Hit them up were it hurts - their wallets. Run a red light and there is a 300k fine (or whatever they choose). The camera automatically takes a picture through senses when someone runs a redlight.

Great windfall for the government in revenue, which will lead (eventually) to the reduction in fatalities.
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T-J



Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae

PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2009 4:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Korea is number '1'... Reply with quote

sigmundsmith wrote:


So the simple solution is redlight cameras. Hit them up were it hurts - their wallets. Run a red light and there is a 300k fine (or whatever they choose). The camera automatically takes a picture through senses when someone runs a redlight.

Great windfall for the government in revenue, which will lead (eventually) to the reduction in fatalities.



They already have them all over the country. Red light enforcement as well as speed enforcement cameras.
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Underwaterbob



Joined: 08 Jan 2005
Location: In Cognito

PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2009 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I heard something about the public being allowed to take pictures of traffic infractions. The drivers would be fined, and the picture taker paid some minimal amount. It resulted in a turf war over the most profitable intersections.

Upgrading the infrastructure (like maybe a stop sign or two) and giving police more authority (or at least some incentive to do their jobs) would go a long way towards improving the driving conditions around here.
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Jane



Joined: 01 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2009 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If capsules are child car seats, then you are right. I remember reading the article a few years ago, where the housewifes they interviewed for the article said they didn't like the imposition of Western ideas on them, and chose not to use child car seats.

It's too bad; in my teaching days, I had more than one kid come to class bruised up from a car accident (while riding in the cars). I've heard of two deaths (related to people I work with) where children have been run over by a car. Very sad.


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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2009 4:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Korea is number '1'... Reply with quote

sigmundsmith wrote:
... a bus running a red light (again) collides with a car who was driving through a green light.

I noticed this morning a bus going through a red light and thought how where I came from people would report such behaviour and the driver would be reprimanded, could be fired with a number of incidents, as even the union specifies such in their contract.

I remember people reporting a bus driver in my home town for simply having a habit of stopping too quickly. In Korea bus drivers own the road and do speeds in excess of 140 km/hr regularly on the highway.

(And don't get me started on taxi drivers!)

The problem isn't of wanting to rush, it's the social refusal to take precautions (to demand effective police enforcement, stiffer penalties - instead, token efforts is alright, the problem is seen as a problem but not so significant, doesn't resonate culturally): SAFETY is not as big a value here as many other countries, in so many aspects of life for the locals.
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refikaM



Joined: 06 May 2006
Location: Gangwondo

PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2009 6:26 pm    Post subject: red light Reply with quote

It's just plain not having any consideration or feelings for the faceless individual.. whether driving, walking, parking, or riding a bike.. If no one knows you.. no one cares..
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The Grumpy Senator



Joined: 13 Jan 2008
Location: Up and down the 6 line

PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2009 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Koreans drive offensively, while those from North America are taught to drive defensively. For example, when turning from a side street onto a main road, I would wait for a break in the traffic. My wife will just merge into the traffic and when I flinch, she says "If they do not want to hit me, they will stop."

I remember similar situations when I live in Italy in the early 1980s. There was a sign outside the Air Force base that told the number of days that had passed since an accident involving an American service memeber (or family). The sign never got passed 20 days, and this was not a big base!!! From what I have heard, it has not improved. The two styles do not mix!!
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DCJames



Joined: 27 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2009 6:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Korea is number '1'... Reply with quote

T-J wrote:
sigmundsmith wrote:


So the simple solution is redlight cameras. Hit them up were it hurts - their wallets. Run a red light and there is a 300k fine (or whatever they choose). The camera automatically takes a picture through senses when someone runs a redlight.

Great windfall for the government in revenue, which will lead (eventually) to the reduction in fatalities.



They already have them all over the country. Red light enforcement as well as speed enforcement cameras.


Yeah, welcome to the 21st century. Rolling Eyes
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antoniothegreat



Joined: 28 Aug 2005
Location: Yangpyeong

PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2009 6:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Korea is number '1'... Reply with quote

DCJames wrote:
T-J wrote:
sigmundsmith wrote:


So the simple solution is redlight cameras. Hit them up were it hurts - their wallets. Run a red light and there is a 300k fine (or whatever they choose). The camera automatically takes a picture through senses when someone runs a redlight.

Great windfall for the government in revenue, which will lead (eventually) to the reduction in fatalities.



They already have them all over the country. Red light enforcement as well as speed enforcement cameras.


Yeah, welcome to the 21st century. Rolling Eyes


sometimes, it is hard to go from the 12th centurty to the 21st in a period of 50 years... that is what causes all of the problems with traffic, phones, shopping, etc... our cultures had hundreds of years to form ways of safely doing things. they went from no electricity to cars for everyone in about 30 years. so they never went through the process of learning.
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DCJames



Joined: 27 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2009 7:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Korea is number '1'... Reply with quote

antoniothegreat wrote:
DCJames wrote:
T-J wrote:
sigmundsmith wrote:


So the simple solution is redlight cameras. Hit them up were it hurts - their wallets. Run a red light and there is a 300k fine (or whatever they choose). The camera automatically takes a picture through senses when someone runs a redlight.

Great windfall for the government in revenue, which will lead (eventually) to the reduction in fatalities.



They already have them all over the country. Red light enforcement as well as speed enforcement cameras.


Yeah, welcome to the 21st century. Rolling Eyes


sometimes, it is hard to go from the 12th centurty to the 21st in a period of 50 years... that is what causes all of the problems with traffic, phones, shopping, etc... our cultures had hundreds of years to form ways of safely doing things. they went from no electricity to cars for everyone in about 30 years. so they never went through the process of learning.


huh?
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sigmundsmith



Joined: 22 Nov 2007

PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2009 7:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Korea is number '1'... Reply with quote

T-J wrote:

They already have them all over the country. Red light enforcement as well as speed enforcement cameras.


If they have red light enforcement why does everyone run the red light.

I know on the motorways/highways they have the speed cameras but those camera boxes you see around the city are not for preventing accidents but for using as evidence.
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GoldMember



Joined: 24 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2009 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Firstly the fines are peanuts $30-$50 bucks and secondly if you don't want to you really don't have to pay them!
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egrog1717



Joined: 12 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2009 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korea = Darwin's Playground...
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jvalmer



Joined: 06 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2009 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GoldMember wrote:
Firstly the fines are peanuts $30-$50 bucks and secondly if you don't want to you really don't have to pay them!


Yup, I've personally seen some of the tickets, maxes out at around 60,000 won. If they boosted the amount by a factor of 10x or 20x, I think a lot of people will think twice before running a red. And payment has got to be enforced, by refusing to re-register car plates or impounding cars.

Imagine how embarrassing it would be having 2 baby faced cops ordering a tow truck driver to tow your car away in the morning, before you go to work.
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sarbonn



Joined: 14 Oct 2008
Location: Michigan

PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2009 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The way other people drive in Korea is why I will never get a car here (or a moped or whatever). I do not trust other drivers at all.

My problem is that I'm still at the mercy of drivers who don't pay attention to pedestrians. I'm very careful when crossing streets because of it, yet at least twice since I've been here, I've nearly been hit by someone who came out of nowhere and had no intentions of stopping at a red light even though I was in the crosswalk. One guy came rushing around the corner and missed me close enough that I felt the air of his car blow me back as he flew by me. Didn't stop. Didn't care. A second later, I would have been dead. And I doubt he would have stopped or would have cared.

The person who wrote that it is a symptom of offensive driving is not exactly correct. Offensive driving was what I learned when driving in France (he mentioned Italy, which is similar). It's a lot different here. This isn't offensive driving but "no concern about what they're doing" driving. This is why they hit each other as much as they do. Offensive driving works when everyone drives offensively. Here, they drive chaotically and then end up crashing with the people who drive with a sense of order.
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