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Eedoryeong



Joined: 10 Dec 2007
Location: Jeju

PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 5:51 pm    Post subject: IMF predictions for Korea 2009 Reply with quote

http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2904456

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IMF predicts Korea�s GDP to fall below $15K in 2009

Gloomy forecast for inflation rate, employment figures
May 06, 2009

Korea�s per capita income will fall below $15,000 this year and won�t recover to the $20,000 mark until 2014, according to the International Monetary Fund.

Inflation in the country, however, will hit the highest level among advanced economies beginning next year, the IMF added.

The gloomy prospects for Koreans, which connotes weakening purchasing power, was part of the IMF�s revised outlook on the world economy.

In 2007, Korea�s gross domestic product per capita stood at $21,695, but it shrank to $19,231 as the global recession began to affect the domestic economy from the second half of last year...
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Trying to figure out how this will affect exchange rates later in the year. If less people have purchasing power, but the government still has a surplus every year for the next few years, does that mean that EFL teachers will live better within the country, but get hit harder on exchanges if sending back home?
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cdninkorea



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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Be careful about posting this or the government might arrest you (I'm kidding in this case of course, but still horrified that they really do interfere with journalists reporting negative economic forecasts).
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Eedoryeong



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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So the way I see it is:
-government maintains a surplus = government services, civil services stay untouched (e.g. military, fire, police, hospitals, schools)
-average person has less money to spend = hagwons hit harder? public schools, int.l schools, uni posts will see more competition?
- country has less purchasing power overseas = exchange rates will worsen again, but within the country things will get cheaper...

... except for the bit about inflation anticipated to climb will mean that costs will climb faster than wages.

Is that about right?
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PRagic



Joined: 24 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just wait until the real estate bubble goes 'pop'. All bets are off until then. Short term, however, Korea's trade surpluses should strengthen the won. Then the government is said to be considering defending AGAINST the rise in order to spur exports. Classic.
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PEI George



Joined: 14 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2009 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This article is very misleading. Purchasing power hasn't been affected much, since people in Korea overwhelmingly buy Korean goods. Imports are way down, but typically, there are available substitutes in Korea. The article suggests Koreans have lost 25% of their income, which is ludicrous.
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madoka



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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2009 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PRagic wrote:
Just wait until the real estate bubble goes 'pop'. All bets are off until then.


Some of the Koreans I talked to felt that the real estate bubble had already popped and prices are on the way back up. I remember one guy mentioning that the apartment he was purchasing went down to $500,000 and now is at $700,000 (in Bundang). Personally, I find it odd that the real estate prices would rebound so fast, but maybe it's because so many Koreans want to live in or close to Seoul.
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The Grumpy Senator



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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2009 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PEI George wrote:
This article is very misleading. Purchasing power hasn't been affected much, since people in Korea overwhelmingly buy Korean goods. Imports are way down, but typically, there are available substitutes in Korea. The article suggests Koreans have lost 25% of their income, which is ludicrous.


It is based on the expected decreasing of the Korean Won's value. Since Korea's economy is export driven, the IMF expects the GDP to fall based on the idea that they will not be recieving as much for their goods once the Won's value drops against the US dollar.
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Yu_Bum_suk



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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2009 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This just goes to show how much fluctuating currencies affect statistics that don't reflect personal wealth and comfort very accurately. Canada's GDP per capita soared last summer and then shrank sharply. The standard of living for most people only changed slightly. All it would take would be for OPEC to switch to Euros as its trading currency and suddenly Korea's GDP per capita would be back up to $20,000US and Portugal would suddenly have a higher 'standard of living'.
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Blueberry



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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2009 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PEI George wrote:
This article is very misleading. Purchasing power hasn't been affected much, since people in Korea overwhelmingly buy Korean goods. Imports are way down, but typically, there are available substitutes in Korea. The article suggests Koreans have lost 25% of their income, which is ludicrous.


You don't know WTF you're talking about. My KOREAN chicken tenders went from 4700 won to 7200 won. No other reason than the Chaebols gouging.

Look up "purchasing power."
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Gimpokid



Joined: 09 Nov 2008
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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2009 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blueberry wrote:
PEI George wrote:
This article is very misleading. Purchasing power hasn't been affected much, since people in Korea overwhelmingly buy Korean goods. Imports are way down, but typically, there are available substitutes in Korea. The article suggests Koreans have lost 25% of their income, which is ludicrous.


You don't know WTF you're talking about. My KOREAN chicken tenders went from 4700 won to 7200 won. No other reason than the Chaebols gouging.

Look up "purchasing power."


I always fing this "Big Mac Index" stuff hillarious. Like like the sun is setting on human civilization based on the price of fast food.

Not saying purchase power isn't something to think about. It's just funny when heated economis debates include words like "large fries" and "chicken tenders."
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crossmr



Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul

PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2009 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gimpokid wrote:


I always fing this "Big Mac Index" stuff hillarious. Like like the sun is setting on human civilization based on the price of fast food.

Not saying purchase power isn't something to think about. It's just funny when heated economis debates include words like "large fries" and "chicken tenders."


I think he's talking about bags of frozen chicken strips at the super market. BKs chicken tenders were 4,600 for a meal and continue to be 4,600 for a a meal. I checked today at e-mart.
A jar of imported peanut butter is exactly the same price as it was 1 year ago (I stopped buying it about 6-7 months ago , but with everyone bitching about inflation, I got curious today).
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grunden



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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 1:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seems like the sky will fall here, I read that report too, and it seems if this place is holding on by its fingernails, one small push and the won will slide. I already sent my paycheck home, western union, now all I am waiting for is time, it will slide Crying or Very sad
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PEI George



Joined: 14 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 8:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Grumpy Senator wrote:
PEI George wrote:
This article is very misleading. Purchasing power hasn't been affected much, since people in Korea overwhelmingly buy Korean goods. Imports are way down, but typically, there are available substitutes in Korea. The article suggests Koreans have lost 25% of their income, which is ludicrous.


It is based on the expected decreasing of the Korean Won's value. Since Korea's economy is export driven, the IMF expects the GDP to fall based on the idea that they will not be recieving as much for their goods once the Won's value drops against the US dollar.


But that's not how international financial transactions work. In order for Americans to buy Korean goods, they need to purchase Korean won (at least, someone does--the importer, or some financial intermediary). Since the won is cheaper, Americans can buy more goods. So Koreans sell more, for the same price, expressed in won. Therefore, Korean income increases on the basis of a weaker won. This is the reason that exporters are lobbying the government to keep the won weak.

But that is not the salient issue. What matters is that the Korea Herald was taking GDP figures expressed in dollars when Korea had a strong won and then expressing future predicted income in dollars with a weaker won. This suggests a decreased standard of living of around 25%, similar to what the States went through in the Great Depression. That is bad reporting. What they should have done, was used the won for GDP figures and then they would accurately be conveying the IMF's intent, that Korea is predicted to shrink 4%, not 25%. For example see:

http://www.imf.org/external/country/kor/index.htm

There is a simple forecast on the left, and a link to the report where it originally came from.
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PEI George



Joined: 14 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 8:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blueberry wrote:
PEI George wrote:
This article is very misleading. Purchasing power hasn't been affected much, since people in Korea overwhelmingly buy Korean goods. Imports are way down, but typically, there are available substitutes in Korea. The article suggests Koreans have lost 25% of their income, which is ludicrous.


You don't know WTF you're talking about. My KOREAN chicken tenders went from 4700 won to 7200 won. No other reason than the Chaebols gouging.

Look up "purchasing power."


I'm not sure if you are being serious, but since I don't know you, I have to assume you are.

The Korean CPI which measures changes in consumer prices from year to year, is projected to be up 1.7% in 2009. See: http://www.imf.org/external/country/kor/index.htm

Now someone who lives on the street and insists on devoting their entire income to chicken tenders is going to see a pretty big drop in purchasing power, but for the economy as a whole, its 1.7%. So, purchasing power is down by that and by people losing their jobs and pay.
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jkelly80



Joined: 13 Jun 2007
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sorry but isn't CPI/RPI pretty much the same as inflation? 1.7% is nothing in one year.
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