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afsjesse



Joined: 23 Sep 2007
Location: Kickin' it in 'Kato town.

PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 2:06 am    Post subject: Another Full Page ad in the NYT.... Reply with quote

Here we go again folks. First it was Dokdo, now it's the East Sea or as the rest of the planet calls it, the Sea of Japan. So this professor found it necessary to correct the NYT for going against popular Korean sentiment and noted the error in today's paper.
Personally when it comes to Japan, I really like avoiding it in conversation as I'm very opinionated on issues like this. If Korea wishes to call it the East Sea that's fine by me, let them. But to demand other's follow their example is ludicrous. Japan historically speaking has been far more important on the international scope of things and their prominence is far greater than that of Korea.
I really love Korea. I think it's a great place and am very lucky to be here. But the argument that the world has to call it the East Sea just because Japan was a naughty boy six decades ago is off the radar in my scope of things. For the record I think Japan should apologize and make amends to the surviving people who were effected by their dictatorial rule. But let's stop this bogus smear campaign that everything that is associated with "Japan" has to be bad.

Here's the link.
http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/NEWKHSITE/data/html_dir/2009/05/12/200905120097.asp

EDIT: FYI I know the author doesn't say that it's Japan's history that he disagrees with the name but rather it's historical fact that it has been called the East Sea for 2000 years. But when discussing this with a Korean this never comes up, it always dredges up anit-Japanese sentiment for the reasoning.
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wylies99



Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!

PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 3:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who is wasting money, I mean paying all of the money for these full-page ads?
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Ruthdes



Joined: 16 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 3:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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At the bottom of the ad, Seo stresses the historical aspect of the name, saying "The sea between Korea and Japan has been called the "East Sea" by numerous countries for 2000 years


I'm wondering which countries called it this. The thing that perplexes me about this issue is that the sea is only east if you're in South Korea, North Korea or a very small part of Russia. I guess you could say it's east of Mongolia and China, but then it's also east of every thing along that latitude! So basically, this name only has a geographical relevance to a small number of people.

I can understand that Koreans get upset about it being called the Sea of Japan. Obviously they've had a hard time and they're not the only country waiting for Japan to apologise for its actions in the past. But there are lots of seas that are named after countries that aren't the only border: Do Malaysia, Vietnam and The Philippines complain about the name of the South China Sea? (maybe they do, but I've never heard of it. Then again I'd never heard of "The East Sea" before I came to Korea).

Anyway, it sucks for them (I guess), but I think that they should probably just get over it. Why would the rest of the world call a sea "The East Sea" when the name has no relevance, either geographically, or historically to them? How about a neutral third name ala Liancourt Rocks? Any suggestions?
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BigBuds



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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 7:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Ruthdes"]
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How about a neutral third name ala Liancourt Rocks? Any suggestions?


The Sparkling Sea.
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michaelambling



Joined: 31 Dec 2008
Location: Paradise

PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="BigBuds"]
Ruthdes wrote:
Quote:
How about a neutral third name ala Liancourt Rocks? Any suggestions?


The Sparkling Sea.


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T-J



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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 8:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like to point out the Gulf of Mexico and explain the reason we Americans don't give a rats ass what it's called because we don't worry about comparing ourselves with Mexico.
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Ruthdes



Joined: 16 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

T-J wrote:
I like to point out the Gulf of Mexico and explain the reason we Americans don't give a rats ass what it's called because we don't worry about comparing ourselves with Mexico.

HAHAHA...exactly. The big brother/little brother syndrome.
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KoreaninKorea



Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Incheon

PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ruthdes wrote:

I'm wondering which countries called it this. The thing that perplexes me about this issue is that the sea is only east if you're in South Korea, North Korea or a very small part of Russia. I guess you could say it's east of Mongolia and China, but then it's also east of every thing along that latitude! So basically, this name only has a geographical relevance to a small number of people.


I agreed with you logic at first, but then came to the realization that there are two seas. There is the Yellow Sea and the Sea of Japan. Korea wants the sea west of the Sea of Japan to be called the West Sea, and the sea east of the Yellow Sea to be called the East Sea. So it does have more relevance outside of Korea.

Of course, renaming it is moot at this point. Korea has bigger problems that they should address.
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Gillian57



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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wonder how long it is going to take for some people in Korea to realize that the majority of the people in the US don't give a flying fart in space what they want? Are all those old WWII movies supposed to edit out Sea of Japan and replace them with East Sea? Ah, I don't think so.....
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alphakennyone



Joined: 01 Aug 2005
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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^

No, calling the sea west of Korea "west sea" is just more korea-centrism. how about we call the pacific "west ocean" and the atlantic "east ocean?" as an american, i find these names to be much more accurate and historical.

i believe the north koreans even have the audacity to call the sea of japan "east sea of korea."
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Bearach



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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Calling it the Korean Sea would seem more sensible, but since Japan is better known worldwide that's hardly likely.
Between the UK and Scandanavia there is the North Sea, I guess the English gave it that name, and they historically were a great naval power. But who knows what other countries call that sea.
Then there's the English Channel between England and France, I think in that case the English think that means England owns the channel, while the French think this means France is more important than England.
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jinks



Joined: 27 Oct 2004
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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bearach wrote:
Then there's the English Channel between England and France, I think in that case the English think that means England owns the channel, while the French think this means France is more important than England.

The French call it La Manche (the sleeve).
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jkelly80



Joined: 13 Jun 2007
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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Nishidong Sea would be good. "west" in Japanese, "east" in Korean.
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GoldMember



Joined: 24 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Before May 11th

NYT reader has never been to Korea, knows zip about Korea, has no opinion about Korea, doesn't care about Korea.

After May 11th and seeing the advert
NYT reader thinks, "These people are wacked"

Don't blame the foreigner if Korea has a bad reputation. It is being created by Koreans who PAY to do this.

The clown probably will get a pat on the back and a pay rise. Good Job!
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harlowethrombey



Joined: 17 Mar 2009
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2009 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I took out a full page ad declaring all Oceans and Seas renamed with their proximity to the U.S. From now on it is not ' The Sea of Japan' or 'The East Sea', it is 'The Sea Across the Bush Ocean south of Clintonia (the artic) near the small nations of MLK and Ryan Seacrest (formerly known as Korea and Japan)'

Problem solved.


Also, England is now known as 'That place Gandolf is from' and most other countries are just color-coded (Australia=Freedom Red, Chile=Patriot Blue, Italy=Cowboy BOot Brown) to make it easier for our politicians to remember them.
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