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Higher levels - tip to encourage longer answers in English

 
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withnail



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Location: Seoul, South Korea.

PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 11:17 pm    Post subject: Higher levels - tip to encourage longer answers in English Reply with quote

I've had great success with this little framework:

1. I think...(opinion)
2. because...(reason)
3. for example...(case)
4. so...(restatement)

Whatever the topic of your lesson/textbook, make a short list of open-ended discussion questions (not too many) and print them out to give to sts. Arrange your sts in groups of 4 or 6. Make the questions as easy to understand as you can. Check that everyone understands the questions by going round the little groups and assisting.

Encourage them to answer each other using the above schema. Drill it and model a specimen question and answer first to exemplify.

For lower levels just try to get them using 1 & 2.
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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

P a u s e


echo echo echo echo echo echo

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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 12:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

???

What say you Dave?
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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 12:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wink

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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 1:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with your original post - I teach highschool girls and the beginning of the semester, our conversations consisted of "How are you?" and them responding with "happy", "tired", etc. As time has gone on, I've started asking them -why- they felt that way, or during discussions about their weekend, asking them to tell me why they went shopping, or how they felt in Seoul, etc etc. I find now they're prepared for me to elaborate on the original question and they're making sentences much more comfortably than at the beginning of the semester. Makes me a lil' bit proud *tear*
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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 1:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glad to hear that!

I also stress to my students the need for the subject verb object sentence structure as well when I hear something like :"Teacher my desk no paper!"

One of the most useful things you can do is to keep insisting on English sentence structure and showing the difference between this and K grammar. You really have to insist on reformulation in the early stages.
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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 5:12 am    Post subject: Re: Higher levels - tip to encourage longer answers in Engl Reply with quote

withnail wrote:
I've had great success with this little framework:

1. I think...(opinion)
2. because...(reason)
3. for example...(case)
4. so...(restatement)

Good one, I made a note and I'm going to try it out, thanks.
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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 6:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

withnail,

I was being half serious Smile

The reason many students don't speak is that teachers are so damn good at it.

Research shows time and time again that the thing a teacher doesn't do enough is pause and wait for student response. This more than anything could encourage more student talk time.

But if you are in groups, what is needed is to "from the get go" , insist and teach students to speak like human beings. That means, insist that they reply back to you (echo) when you ask a question.

As in.

T: What did you do this weekend Soomin?
S: I studied.
(the teacher pauses) (the teacher waves to indicate a return question)
S: What did you do?
T: I sat around and picked the dead skin off my toes.

Further, questions should be taught explicitly from lesson 1!!!!!! They should not be something expected but never taught. Teach students how to form questions and you'll begin to have more "communication". Takes two to tango.

I have a handy sentence maker on EFL Classroom. Using the diagram, students can easily form questions. But with this, it is a matter of practice makes perfect.

The other consideration is the topic. If a student is REALLY interested, they might speak more. Volition is a major determiner of output. For example, if you are starving, you might try out your poor Korean rather than remain hungry. You have an investment in the language. Build this into your lessons through personalization and contextualization of the content.

My 3 cents worth.......

DD
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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

withnail wrote:
One of the most useful things you can do is to keep insisting on English sentence structure and showing the difference between this and K grammar. You really have to insist on reformulation in the early stages.


Agreed, and there are many ways to do this that are interactive and less traditional. I posted these activites on my esnip's:

SVO Matrix

SVAO Matrix

SV Matrix

They're a little elementary, but still a good start: promote processing and noticing form, order, but NOT to the detriment of your goal (communication, practice, etc).

Ddeubel wrote:
insist that they reply back to you (echo) when you ask a question.

As in.

T: What did you do this weekend Soomin?
S: I studied.
(the teacher pauses) (the teacher waves to indicate a return question)
S: What did you do?
T: I sat around and picked the dead skin off my toes.


I worked this exact idea of yours into a review routine. I use a youtube video of an echo and some modeling with a student to introduce the concept. Then use a song and an envelope with questions (if they need that much preperation), or nouns and verbs (pictures or words), and then we work through the echoed questions. It's also great because in echo time it's easy to banter back and forth with the whole class.

T: Are you ready?

Ss: Yes...Are you ready?

T: No... Smile (Folds arms and taps toes for comedic affect)
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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
withnail,

I was being half serious

The reason many students don't speak is that teachers are so damn good at it.

Research shows time and time again that the thing a teacher doesn't do enough is pause and wait for student response. This more than anything could encourage more student talk time.

But if you are in groups, what is needed is to "from the get go" , insist and teach students to speak like human beings. That means, insist that they reply back to you (echo) when you ask a question.

As in.

T: What did you do this weekend Soomin?
S: I studied.
(the teacher pauses) (the teacher waves to indicate a return question)
S: What did you do?
T: I sat around and picked the dead skin off my toes.

Further, questions should be taught explicitly from lesson 1!!!!!! They should not be something expected but never taught. Teach students how to form questions and you'll begin to have more "communication". Takes two to tango.

I have a handy sentence maker on EFL Classroom. Using the diagram, students can easily form questions. But with this, it is a matter of practice makes perfect.

The other consideration is the topic. If a student is REALLY interested, they might speak more. Volition is a major determiner of output. For example, if you are starving, you might try out your poor Korean rather than remain hungry. You have an investment in the language. Build this into your lessons through personalization and contextualization of the content.

My 3 cents worth.......


I don't think I'd disagree with any of this. But I guess I was really thinking about larger group sizes where you don't have the luxury of being able to engage the student 1-1 for long periods. With larger classes I find it's much better to make the students autonomous of you as soon as possible so that you can be a listener and a feedbacker/consultant.

I don't believe, as one poster suggested that as soon as your back's turned, they go back to speaking Korean. If you are circulating you can hear that! I really think you can teach basic conversation skills, insist on them being used (controlling for a while) and then letting them fly at it! I've found that after a while, they get the point that using Korean is not accepted.

As I work in a university, one powerful aid for me is part of the semester grade which is classroom participation. You lose points for speaking Korean or not doing your best to communicate with the structures being taught. T.T.!
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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2009 1:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oldtactics wrote:
As time has gone on, I've started asking them -why- they felt that way, or during discussions about their weekend, asking them to tell me why they went shopping, or how they felt in Seoul, etc etc. I find now they're prepared for me to elaborate on the original question and they're making sentences much more comfortably than at the beginning of the semester. Makes me a lil' bit proud *tear*

I dove into teaching them to use followup questions very early in the semester. After showing them to use full sentences for both Yes/No questions and for WH- questions in the first week, I teach them to ask followup question so they can have actual conversations.

By midterm time, they were all comfortable having actual conversations; full questions and full sentence answers. Now their speaking practice days are easy. I give them a list of questions from the book, pair them up and tell them to interview their partner, and for each book question they have to ask 3 followup questions... the 75-minute class goes by (snaps fingers) with very little Korean being spoken.
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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2009 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ddeubel wrote:

But if you are in groups, what is needed is to "from the get go" , insist and teach students to speak like human beings. That means, insist that they reply back to you (echo) when you ask a question.

As in.

T: What did you do this weekend Soomin?
S: I studied.
(the teacher pauses) (the teacher waves to indicate a return question)
S: What did you do?
T: I sat around and picked the dead skin off my toes.


Ahh, there's someone who has never taught adults in Korea! Here's how it REALLY goes down:

T: What did you do this weekend Soomin?
S: I studied.
(the teacher pauses) (the teacher waves to indicate a return question)
S: (either: shakes head, says "Yes." or laughs nervously)
T: (whispers/mouths) How about you?
S: As I said, I studied.
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