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SMOE for nonwhite, noncertified applicant -- pity interview?
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gogohorrorshow



Joined: 13 May 2009

PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2009 9:51 am    Post subject: SMOE for nonwhite, noncertified applicant -- pity interview? Reply with quote

I recently applied to SMOE through Korvia. I have the interview coming up next week and I've been super anxious about it, so I did some research using the handy search button.

After browsing through some old posts, it seems like alot of posters are saying if you get to the phone interview stage, you're pretty much in. Like they just want to make sure you're not a weirdo and that you can actually speak English as you claim. However there are some qualifiers to this: first off, this seems to apply to those who are pretty, white and holding teaching certificates.

I have nearly three years of informal teaching experience with primary school kids but no actual teaching certificate. As you all probably know, this wasn't an official requirement on the application. However, once I turned in my application my recruiter told me that this is a definite no-no.

So my question is, what are the chances SMOE is actually taking me seriously? I have two huge marks against me, it seems, no teaching cert. and I'm nonwhite (Asian-American). I plan to get a TEFL cert. in July, and I plan on letting them know about this. Do you think that will be enough? I don't want to get rejected just because I do not yet have any teaching cert. As well, another strange thing I noticed was that for most people, there was a separate interview they had to with the recruiters. When I applied with Korvia, I never had to go through any interviewing process. They just e-mailed me right away after accepting my documents that they had set up an interview with SMOE. Is this normal to not have been interviewed/screened first by the recruiter?
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Bibbitybop



Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2009 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SMOE is super understaffed at the head office, so instead of hiring qualified judges, they outsource initial interviews to select recruiters. It's normal.

Let me get this straight: You taught (tutored?) for 3 years with no certificate? Guess what, that makes you more experienced than people who did not teach (regardless of certificate).

Let me get this straighter: You taught outside Korea for 3 years, right? I ask because it is illegal to tutor or privately teach in Korea. But outside Korea, it is common and probably legal depending on local laws.

The recruiters talk to a lot of people and may be getting "tutoring in other countries" confused with "tutoring illegally in Korea." Or something like that.

I talked with a teacher that told SMOE, "I tutored many immigrant children in the USA in my spare time." SMOE was quick to say, "You can't do that in Korea!" The applicant calmly said, "Yes, I understand immigration and SMOE do not allow private teaching. What I did was legal in my country and I would never do in Korea." Case closed, the person was hired.


One more thing: I had friends in SMOE who were white, black, Hispanic, gyopo, Asian-American, etc. As long as your passport and degree are from an approved country, SMOE doesn't care. Just don't admit to braking a law (even parking tickets) unless it is on your CBC, using any drugs (legal or illegal), having any tattoos (unless they are visible or could be visible), being gay, living with your lover while unmarried, or wanting to come to Korea because of the following reasons: The money; Japan denied you; the women; your degree is fake; you hear Koreans like to drink a lot and so do you; you want to sell drugs for high prices; or that you heard Takeshima was a nice place to visit.

Good luck!
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gogohorrorshow



Joined: 13 May 2009

PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2009 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bibbitybop wrote:
SMOE is super understaffed at the head office, so instead of hiring qualified judges, they outsource initial interviews to select recruiters. It's normal.

Let me get this straight: You taught (tutored?) for 3 years with no certificate? Guess what, that makes you more experienced than people who did not teach (regardless of certificate).

Let me get this straighter: You taught outside Korea for 3 years, right? I ask because it is illegal to tutor or privately teach in Korea. But outside Korea, it is common and probably legal depending on local laws.

The recruiters talk to a lot of people and may be getting "tutoring in other countries" confused with "tutoring illegally in Korea." Or something like that.

I talked with a teacher that told SMOE, "I tutored many immigrant children in the USA in my spare time." SMOE was quick to say, "You can't do that in Korea!" The applicant calmly said, "Yes, I understand immigration and SMOE do not allow private teaching. What I did was legal in my country and I would never do in Korea." Case closed, the person was hired.

Good luck!


Thanks for the reply. I am a volunteer tutor, mostly doing volunteer tutoring from programs offered by my university. Some have been directly in the school, while at other times it's during after school programs. But thanks for the heads-up, I'll be sure to make it clear.

So my NOT getting interviewed by the recruiter beforehand, is that normal as well? I feel like this makes me less qualified somehow. It would have been good to know that I made it through the recruiter interview so SMOE must be taking me seriously, but without being interviewed/screened first, I feel like this may be a random interview.
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Bibbitybop



Joined: 22 Feb 2006
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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2009 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gogohorrorshow wrote:
Bibbitybop wrote:
SMOE is super understaffed at the head office, so instead of hiring qualified judges, they outsource initial interviews to select recruiters. It's normal.

Let me get this straight: You taught (tutored?) for 3 years with no certificate? Guess what, that makes you more experienced than people who did not teach (regardless of certificate).

Let me get this straighter: You taught outside Korea for 3 years, right? I ask because it is illegal to tutor or privately teach in Korea. But outside Korea, it is common and probably legal depending on local laws.

The recruiters talk to a lot of people and may be getting "tutoring in other countries" confused with "tutoring illegally in Korea." Or something like that.

I talked with a teacher that told SMOE, "I tutored many immigrant children in the USA in my spare time." SMOE was quick to say, "You can't do that in Korea!" The applicant calmly said, "Yes, I understand immigration and SMOE do not allow private teaching. What I did was legal in my country and I would never do in Korea." Case closed, the person was hired.

Good luck!


Thanks for the reply. I am a volunteer tutor, mostly doing volunteer tutoring from programs offered by my university. Some have been directly in the school, while at other times it's during after school programs. But thanks for the heads-up, I'll be sure to make it clear.

So my NOT getting interviewed by the recruiter beforehand, is that normal as well? I feel like this makes me less qualified somehow. It would have been good to know that I made it through the recruiter interview so SMOE must be taking me seriously, but without being interviewed/screened first, I feel like this may be a random interview.


Getting the SMOE interview is the important part. It could mean they think you are qualified without talking to the recruiter.

Recruiters are given the power not to pass you along to SMOE. My well-qualified friend was told by a recruiter "we aren't sure if your qualifications meet SMOE standards." His qualifications were better than 75% of SMOE teachers'. He got the job, it just goes to show recruiters can be very stupid.
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moosehead



Joined: 05 May 2007

PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2009 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SMOE hires everyone with a pulse -
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gogohorrorshow



Joined: 13 May 2009

PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2009 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

moosehead wrote:
SMOE hires everyone with a pulse -


I'm somehow both happy and disheartened to hear that.
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Ukon



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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2009 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SMOE is competitive....however it skews heavily in favor of those with teaching experience....I know plenty of asians teaching in SMOE....If
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gogohorrorshow



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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

double post

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gogohorrorshow



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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not only the fact that I'm asian-american (though non-korean). I was born outside the United States, and this fact is alot more worrisome to me. Do I have much of a chance despite 1) being born outside of the U.S. (came to the states when i was 3, perfect native English abilities though) 2) no certification (planning on getting TESOL this July, AFTER my interview)?
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ThingsComeAround



Joined: 07 Nov 2008

PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dude- relax. If you have a passport from the US, that is basically your foot in the door. Korvia should be able to secure you a good teaching job, but if they can't, find another recruiter that can
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The Gipkik



Joined: 30 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 12:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gogohorrorshow wrote:
It's not only the fact that I'm asian-american (though non-korean). I was born outside the United States, and this fact is alot more worrisome to me. Do I have much of a chance despite 1) being born outside of the U.S. (came to the states when i was 3, perfect native English abilities though) 2) no certification (planning on getting TESOL this July, AFTER my interview)?


That means you attended kindergarten all the way up to university in the States, right? And you're getting TEFL certified before you come to Korea? Shouldn't be a problem as long as you've got a degree and experience. What you do need to do is contact your Board of Education and ask them to send you your public school records from Kindergarten all the way up to high school graduation. This needs to be an original copy, signed. Give this original to the consulate officer. A passport alone won't suffice. You need the school records or your parents passport clearly indicating when you arrived in the States. However, if you've got citizenship documents going back that far, that should do it too.
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Big Mac



Joined: 17 Sep 2005

PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 1:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As long as you have a university degree and a passport from one of the seven approved countries, you're fine.

That's unless you're a weirdo, as others mentioned. But even some, actually many, weirdos get jobs here too.
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Kwangjuchicken



Joined: 01 Sep 2003
Location: I was abducted by aliens on my way to Korea and forced to be an EFL teacher on this crazy planet.

PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 3:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big Mac wrote:
As long as you have a university degree and a passport from one of the seven approved countries, you're fine.

That's unless you're a weirdo, as others mentioned. But even some, actually many, weirdos get jobs here too.



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The Gipkik



Joined: 30 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 4:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big Mac wrote:
As long as you have a university degree and a passport from one of the seven approved countries, you're fine.

That's unless you're a weirdo, as others mentioned. But even some, actually many, weirdos get jobs here too.


Unless the Korean consulates in the States have different guidelines than Canada. If you weren't born in the country you need proof of residence from a very young age, at least from grade 6 or 7 onwards. A passport won't cut it. I was born in Europe, came over at the ripe age of 1 and still needed proof. I wanted to say to the Korean consulate official: do you mean you can't recognize a native English speaking accent? Why did they hire you?
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bogey666



Joined: 17 Mar 2008
Location: Korea, the ass free zone

PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 5:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Gipkik wrote:
Big Mac wrote:
As long as you have a university degree and a passport from one of the seven approved countries, you're fine.

That's unless you're a weirdo, as others mentioned. But even some, actually many, weirdos get jobs here too.


Unless the Korean consulates in the States have different guidelines than Canada. If you weren't born in the country you need proof of residence from a very young age, at least from grade 6 or 7 onwards. A passport won't cut it. I was born in Europe, came over at the ripe age of 1 and still needed proof. I wanted to say to the Korean consulate official: do you mean you can't recognize a native English speaking accent? Why did they hire you?


the Korean consulate in Chicago, IL never made this an issue. It clearly states on my passport that I was not born in the US, and as a matter of fact, I was 9 year old when I came over.

I can't recall whether I was asked about being born outside of the US or not. The young Korean guy who interviewed me did a lot of nervous sounding giggling. Maybe they were impressed by where I graduated from.
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