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RufusW
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| When they see the American government caught up in arguments about interrogations," he said, "the terrorists see just what they were hoping for - our unity gone, our resolve shaken, our leaders distracted. In short, they see weakness and opportunity." |
Maybe Cheney should stop deliberately attempting to prevent unity, shake national resolve, and distract our leaders for his party's political gain then? He's virtually made these things his full time job in recent days.
If he wants to stand up and argue with the President, that's fine; open national dialogue is a good thing, and honestly as someone who isn't a fan of the Republican Party, I feel like the things he tends to say can only help to keep them out of power. But if he's going to complain about lack of unity and distracted leaders, that's just hypocrisy. |
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Kuros
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Cheney talks about 9-11 was a coordinated attack, and moved us to understand that this is a war not a criminal justice matter. Well, how do you tell who the fighters are in a guerilla war versus the civilians? He never answers, let alone addresses this possible dilemma.
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The key to any strategy is accurate intelligence, and skilled professionals to get that information in time to use it. In seeking to guard this nation against the threat of catastrophic violence, our Administration gave intelligence officers the tools and lawful authority they needed to gain vital information. |
There is nothing skilled or lawful about torture. Its findings are used to reinforce a preconceived paradigm, and Cheney's preconceived paradigm is that the U.S. would be at war for many, many years. Cheney is a politician, and is no more an intelligence specialist than Al Gore is a climate specialist.
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We had a lot of blind spots after the attacks on our country. We didn't know about al-Qaeda's plans, but Khalid Sheikh Muhammed and a few others did know. And with many thousands of innocent lives potentially in the balance, we didn't think it made sense to let the terrorists answer questions in their own good time, if they answered them at all.
Maybe you've heard that when we captured KSM, he said he would talk as soon as he got to New York City and saw his lawyer. But like many critics of interrogations, he clearly misunderstood the business at hand. American personnel were not there to commence an elaborate legal proceeding, but to extract information from him before al-Qaeda could strike again and kill more of our people. |
People have lawyers because the government is not perfect: in fact normally it is very flawed, and the essence of our freedoms mean we cannot let the government dictate who is and who is not an enemy of the state. This is why we have 'elaborate legal proceedings.'
Cheney makes me furious. The idea that this man held so much power for so long makes my blood boil over in rage. I really wish we would have 'elaborate legal proceedings' to examine his culpability, but if I were dictat, I'd throw Cheney in jail for the rest of his life for his crimes. |
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Pluto
Joined: 19 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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| When they see the American government caught up in arguments about interrogations," he said, "the terrorists see just what they were hoping for - our unity gone, our resolve shaken, our leaders distracted. In short, they see weakness and opportunity." |
Maybe Cheney should stop deliberately attempting to prevent unity, shake national resolve, and distract our leaders for his party's political gain then? He's virtually made these things his full time job in recent days.
If he wants to stand up and argue with the President, that's fine; open national dialogue is a good thing, and honestly as someone who isn't a fan of the Republican Party, I feel like the things he tends to say can only help to keep them out of power. But if he's going to complain about lack of unity and distracted leaders, that's just hypocrisy. |
I was wondering that myself. It made me think, "Wow! Cheney is such a Dick!" He expected the public to fall in line when Bush was president, but when the other team wins the White House, it's just too good for him.
Seriously, Dick should just take his own advice and shut up and fall in line. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Pluto wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
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| When they see the American government caught up in arguments about interrogations," he said, "the terrorists see just what they were hoping for - our unity gone, our resolve shaken, our leaders distracted. In short, they see weakness and opportunity." |
Maybe Cheney should stop deliberately attempting to prevent unity, shake national resolve, and distract our leaders for his party's political gain then? He's virtually made these things his full time job in recent days.
If he wants to stand up and argue with the President, that's fine; open national dialogue is a good thing, and honestly as someone who isn't a fan of the Republican Party, I feel like the things he tends to say can only help to keep them out of power. But if he's going to complain about lack of unity and distracted leaders, that's just hypocrisy. |
I was wondering that myself. It made me think, "Wow! Cheney is such a Dick!" He expected the public to fall in line when Bush was president, but when the other team wins the White House, it's just too good for him.
Seriously, Dick should just take his own advice and shut up and fall in line. |
He can't. He knows he's inches away from being indicted. |
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mole
Joined: 06 Feb 2003
Location: Act III
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| Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 1:40 am Post subject: |
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| When they see the American government caught up in arguments about interrogations," he said, "the terrorists see just what they were hoping for - our unity gone, our resolve shaken, our leaders distracted. In short, they see weakness and opportunity." |
Maybe Cheney should stop deliberately attempting to prevent unity, shake national resolve, and distract our leaders for his party's political gain then? He's virtually made these things his full time job in recent days.
If he wants to stand up and argue with the President, that's fine; open national dialogue is a good thing, and honestly as someone who isn't a fan of the Republican Party, I feel like the things he tends to say can only help to keep them out of power. But if he's going to complain about lack of unity and distracted leaders, that's just hypocrisy. |
The republican party is in shambles. == lack of unity
Obama having to decide daily which faction of his groupies to appease. == leadership distraction
I'm no Cheney fan, but at least he's speaking up.
Republicans have been beaten up/beaten down in the media and by Nancy and her pitchfork brigade. == shaken resolve
Whether Cheney comes out well or not, he's gotten attention. And not by being a blowhard like Rush. |
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lithium
Joined: 18 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
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| When they see the American government caught up in arguments about interrogations," he said, "the terrorists see just what they were hoping for - our unity gone, our resolve shaken, our leaders distracted. In short, they see weakness and opportunity." |
Maybe Cheney should stop deliberately attempting to prevent unity, shake national resolve, and distract our leaders for his party's political gain then? He's virtually made these things his full time job in recent days.
If he wants to stand up and argue with the President, that's fine; open national dialogue is a good thing, and honestly as someone who isn't a fan of the Republican Party, I feel like the things he tends to say can only help to keep them out of power. But if he's going to complain about lack of unity and distracted leaders, that's just hypocrisy. |
If not Dick Cheney, then will anyone else step up to bat? Cheney has put the Bamster on defensive, and that's a good thing. Why would a President of the USA have to tell the American people that he will not do anything that will endanger them like Obama HAS to do? There must be questions as to his willingness to do so. |
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RJjr
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Location: Turning on a Lamp
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 6:27 am Post subject: |
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| If Dick Cheney wants to step up to bat, he needs to find the courage to go fight in Afghanistan. He's younger than some of the Afghan fighters and has more limbs than some. We have so many pro-war Americans who lack the courage to actually sign up and go fight, maybe he could inspire them to finally go. |
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