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andrew



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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 12:10 am    Post subject: ..... Reply with quote

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poeticjustice



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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 12:41 am    Post subject: Re: Longtimers - fate of the killers in 1998 teacher slaying Reply with quote

andrew wrote:
I have been reading blogs about two murders of English teachers that took place 11 years ago in 1998. One happened in Suncheon (Scott James Kennedy) and the other in Seoul (Beau Smith).

What I'm curious about is what happened to the Korean murderers? In the Suncheon case, it seemed cut and dried - one man acted alone. In the Seoul case, was it found to be one individual or many?

What kinds of sentences did these Korean men receive for killing foreigners?


From Google:

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Oct 21 1998
Korean Patriot Murders American English Teacher

On Sept. 7, 1998, a Korean man walked into Sunchon Boys High School, located in the South of Korea near Kwangju, and asked if there was an American teacher employed there. Due to a lack of security or concern by the Korea staff, the inturder [sic] soon found the American teacher.

The man engaged him in a brief conversation, then proceeded to stab him in the back as he was walking away, going down the stairs from the second floor. The victim, Scott James Kennedy, 33, from North Dakota, died upon arrival at a hospital in Sunchon.

When interrogated, the attacker said that he murdered Scott because he didn't want Americans in Korea teaching Korean children. It was also noted that he said foreigners should not be allowed to hold jobs here while many Koreans are unemployed.

It should be noted that Scott's murderer had a history of mental instability and was institutionalized in the past.

Although Scott's murderer had a history of being mentally unbalanced, I believe that his anger and hatred are shared in various degrees by many Koreans who have been often considered to be highly suseptible [sic] to the psychopathology of xenophobia which is often interpreted to mean fear of foreigners, but can just as well be understood as hatred toward foreigners.

Scott is the second American English teacher to be murdered in Korea this year. Mr. Beau Smith, a young man from Fort Lupton Arizona, died a horrible death in Seoul after being exploited and extorted by his Korean employer who took his passport, airplane ticket and cheated him on his wages. His body was found dumped into a construction site.

Is this yet another repercussion of the economic crisis sweeping through Korea or just another example of a Korean stealing from a foreigner? In this case, his life.

Jack Hawke


I was curious about it too. I can't find anything about the murderer's sentencing, but it's obvious from this article that they were both convicted with murder.

My opinion about the article, though, is that I don't think racial slayings are unique only to Korea. If you compare the per-capita rates of racist murders in both America and Korea relative to the sizes of the ethnic/racial group being attacked, you'll find that America has a lot more race-murders.

I feel more safe here than in Detroit.
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Adventurer



Joined: 28 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 12:48 am    Post subject: Re: Longtimers - fate of the killers in 1998 teacher slaying Reply with quote

poeticjustice wrote:
andrew wrote:
I have been reading blogs about two murders of English teachers that took place 11 years ago in 1998. One happened in Suncheon (Scott James Kennedy) and the other in Seoul (Beau Smith).

What I'm curious about is what happened to the Korean murderers? In the Suncheon case, it seemed cut and dried - one man acted alone. In the Seoul case, was it found to be one individual or many?

What kinds of sentences did these Korean men receive for killing foreigners?


From Google:

Quote:
Oct 21 1998
Korean Patriot Murders American English Teacher

On Sept. 7, 1998, a Korean man walked into Sunchon Boys High School, located in the South of Korea near Kwangju, and asked if there was an American teacher employed there. Due to a lack of security or concern by the Korea staff, the inturder [sic] soon found the American teacher.

The man engaged him in a brief conversation, then proceeded to stab him in the back as he was walking away, going down the stairs from the second floor. The victim, Scott James Kennedy, 33, from North Dakota, died upon arrival at a hospital in Sunchon.

When interrogated, the attacker said that he murdered Scott because he didn't want Americans in Korea teaching Korean children. It was also noted that he said foreigners should not be allowed to hold jobs here while many Koreans are unemployed.

It should be noted that Scott's murderer had a history of mental instability and was institutionalized in the past.

Although Scott's murderer had a history of being mentally unbalanced, I believe that his anger and hatred are shared in various degrees by many Koreans who have been often considered to be highly suseptible [sic] to the psychopathology of xenophobia which is often interpreted to mean fear of foreigners, but can just as well be understood as hatred toward foreigners.

Scott is the second American English teacher to be murdered in Korea this year. Mr. Beau Smith, a young man from Fort Lupton Arizona, died a horrible death in Seoul after being exploited and extorted by his Korean employer who took his passport, airplane ticket and cheated him on his wages. His body was found dumped into a construction site.

Is this yet another repercussion of the economic crisis sweeping through Korea or just another example of a Korean stealing from a foreigner? In this case, his life.

Jack Hawke


I was curious about it too. I can't find anything about the murderer's sentencing, but it's obvious from this article that they were both convicted with murder.

My opinion about the article, though, is that I don't think racial slayings are unique only to Korea. If you compare the per-capita rates of racist murders in both America and Korea relative to the sizes of the ethnic/racial group being attacked, you'll find that America has a lot more race-murders.

I feel more safe here than in Detroit.



Well, when I lived in a suburb outside of Dallas I felt perfectly safe, but in certain parts of Dallas I didn't. There are racial crimes in the U.S., but the US is a far more diverse country.

If we're killed here unless the murder is rather obvious good luck in the police finding your killer. You're more likely to get justice back home, but you are also more likely to get killed there due to the higher crime rate and prevelance of weapons and guns. When Stephannie White lost her child, the police here resisted even having a case number. Another name that should be mentioned is Matt Sellers who was taken into custody by the cops and then died.

He was from Alabama. Then again, that's my opinion. We also don't know how many people of Asian descent are killed. You probably just hear of the white folks or black folks from the West who get killed. We don't really know how safe it is for Asians not from Korea. Yes, I feel safe, but I don't trust the justice system or the police. You are just more likely not to need the cops here.

It's too bad Beau's killer wasn't found. Who knows? It could have been someone connected to the hagwon boss.
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Len8



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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 7:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Daves wasn't up and running at the time. If it was there would have been more info available about the murderers, and it might have impacted on their demise as well.
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in_seoul_2003



Joined: 24 Nov 2003

PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"My opinion about the article, though, is that I don't think racial slayings are unique only to Korea"

"Well, when I lived in a suburb outside of Dallas I felt perfectly safe, but in certain parts of Dallas I didn't. There are racial crimes in the U.S., but the US is a far more diverse country."




Of course racial slayings are not unique to Korea, for christsakes!!

Geesus, I've never seen two posts jump so quickly into defense mode.
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Bloopity Bloop



Joined: 26 Apr 2009
Location: Seoul yo

PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://briandeutsch.blogspot.com/2008/03/almost-kind-of-strange-coincidence.html

That blog entry also has a link to the original discussion of the account on Dave's.
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rollo



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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember the Matt Sellers death and that his family and his hometown newspaper pursued an inivestigation. a vey healthy young man is picked up by the police and alledgedly was taken to a hospital because of his strange behavior and given a shot and died. But Matt's friends and co-workers state that his behavior that day had been normal. Also a lot of hole in the police's story. About the time of the accident concernng the deaths of the two little girls. When Mattts family and the newspaper tried to contact the policement involved they were conviently all on extended vacation.
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Mr. Pink



Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China

PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Len8 wrote:
Daves wasn't up and running at the time. If it was there would have been more info available about the murderers, and it might have impacted on their demise as well.


Dave's actually was here. He had a really crappy forum back then. I used to surf on it, but it wasn't as good as the phpbb forums he has now.

All info from the last forum wasn't converted to this forum.
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Captain Corea



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hadn't heard of those stories before.

Interesting.

I wonder if anyone has ever tried to put together a list of foreign teachers' deaths here in Korea.
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Yaya



Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Years ago, I also remember a U.S. serviceman who was killed by a mentally disturbed Korean man in Itaewon. The Korean man asked for something and then suddenly stabbed the soldier.
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Eedoryeong



Joined: 10 Dec 2007
Location: Jeju

PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Captain Corea wrote:
Hadn't heard of those stories before.

Interesting.

I wonder if anyone has ever tried to put together a list of foreign teachers' deaths here in Korea.


*that* would be interesting to see. And damning.
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mack the knife



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

U.S. soldiers stationed here getting killed by the natives is nothing new. When Robert Durant (you remember him as the soldier who was captured in Black Hawk Down) wrote his memoirs he included a nifty little snippet about airlifting a U.S. soldier who'd gotten brained by a brick thrown by a Korean from an apartment building.

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Robot_Teacher



Joined: 18 Feb 2009
Location: Robotting Around the World

PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What I don't understand is Americans are preferred for their style of English speaking, but most disliked. Is that a paradox or what?


I'm glad Korean civilians don't have guns, because if they did, it would be very bad for both Koreans and foreigners. There's a good reason why Koreans don't have guns like Americans commonly have.
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gypsyfish



Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Len8 wrote:
Daves wasn't up and running at the time. If it was there would have been more info available about the murderers, and it might have impacted on their demise as well.


Dave's was up. In fact, that's where most of us heard about the Suncheon murder, because neither of the English 'newspapers' reported it. (If there wasn't a written policy at the time, there was an unwritten one that negative news stories about Koreans and foreigners weren't reported.)

When one of the rags was contacted (a letter to the editor) about why they hadn't reported the story, they said by running the letter to the editor, they were reporting it.

Don't know what happened to the murderer. As with all other Korean murderers at the time (and still today) he was said to be mentally unballanced, as if that explains why it happened - not that he was just a bad guy with a grudge against foreigners. This was right around the beginning of the 'IMF Crisis' era.
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Adventurer



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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2009 4:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, in Korea unless there is a smoking gun or a confession you can often not find out how a foreigner or a Korean, for that matter, was murdered. The public is not putting fire up the rear ends of the police chiefs to get them to reform, so they are slow to change. There should have been a major investigation when Matt Sellers, who seemed like a nice guy who lived in Korea for 10 years, but got alarmed at the anti-American feeling and hysteria in 2002 and was about to bail from Korea before he met his demise.

Some deaths are reported as suicides. Essentially, Korea has a higher crime rate than the offical crime rate. True crimes are not reported properly, and there is not attempt to make sure, muders are properly investigated in all cases, and many in Korea who criticize the police have this perception, that they do very little.

Initially, the police force was just established to keep those in power in power. It was not focused on keeping the public at large safe and providing them with a great public service. Also, the so-called cops
who break up protests are not regular police officers. They have no other job except to break up protests.

In Korea, you are relatively safe, but if something happens to you or happened to you, then getting to the truth will be hard in many cases, because it's inconvenient with the way the police system is unresponsive when it comes to using modern investigative practices to investigate crimes. The police are aware of this criticism. Unless there is a major public outcry or a major official wanting to overhaul things, you will just get more of the same.

There was a Podcast talking about all this and it mentioned the names of foreigners who died like Mat Sellers, Stephannie White's son, and this fellow from England, whose name escapes me, who supposedly jumped in the river, but things didn't seem to add up, but they labeled it a suicide.
I don't remember all the details. I think Bassexpander might be able to shed some light on this. It's not really so much about racism, but rather how the Korean police deals with crime in general.

Bass? Can someone PM him to join in?
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