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choose pension or end of year severence?!?

 
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inmytree



Joined: 14 Jan 2008

PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 8:57 am    Post subject: choose pension or end of year severence?!? Reply with quote

I was under the impression that both of these HAD to be done legally by Korea law? Is this not the case? I tried looking it up but i thought someone might know off-hand and thus would be quicker.

Thanks to all...
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gangwonbound



Joined: 27 Apr 2009

PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can get both...That is if the School was paying the Pension in the first place...You also have to be from Australia, Canada or the US (maybe anohter 1 or 2 countries to be able to claim your pension as well.
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gajackson1



Joined: 27 Jan 2003
Location: Casa Chil, Sungai Besar, Sultanate of Brunei

PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

***POST EDITED BECAUSE I WAS WRONG!!! (and other people on here know me & trust me to be right about this sort of stuff!)***


hmmm - this is almost 2 separate topics - but let's get the easy one done first:

pension AND severance are a REQUIREMENT under the law in SoKo, and almost everyone is entitled to it (a family-based business of 4 wouldn't have to, but that is one of the only examples off of the top of my head). You pay in to pension, your employer matches it, and you get it back at or after the end of your contracts. For severance, if you are working a year, you should get it at the end of a contract. There are sticky threads & FAQs here about pension - how to check yours, make sure the payments are correct, and how to receive your refund.

If either one is not in your contract, or is not being carried out properly, there is STILL the legal obligation! (although many owners will try to squirm around it, and some of the tactics are nothing short of evil)


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In general, the law supercedes/trumps any contract out there. Very few people I know get the vacation days provided for under labor law, or the bonuses for not missing days of work, etc. This forum is bigger than all the other forums for all the other countries combined (the Korean side of Dave's is bigger than everything else in the International boards).

It isn't that way because of all the great work experiences and honest bosses out there.

Best of luck to you; I hope you get both, and have a good teaching year.

Regards,

G.


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Poemer



Joined: 20 Sep 2005
Location: Mullae

PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I could be mistaken, but I believe that severance is a requirement under labor law, along with pension.

In any case, there is no reason to accept a job that wants to make you choose one over the other. Every legitimate job in Korea pays severance and pension, no questions asked, its standard.
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eliross



Joined: 14 Jun 2007

PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Severance is in the Labor Laws so it'll hold up if you take it to the labor board.

Article 34 (Severance Pay System)

(1) An employer shall establish a severance pay system whereby an average wage of more than 30 days shall be paid for each year of consecutive years employed as a severance pay to a retired worker; however, if the worker was employed for less than one year, this shall not apply.
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big_fella1



Joined: 08 Dec 2005

PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gajackson1 wrote:


If pension is in your contract, but severance isn't, then you are kind of praying/hoping you are given one - try to shine at work, and hope for the best at the end.


This is 100% incorrect. Article 34 of the Korean Labor Standards Act provides for a retirement allowances system of 1 months pay for every 12 months of service. source[http://english.molab.go.kr/data/LaborStandardsAct.pdf]

This is what we call severance and it is different to National Pension.

Apprently severance (or more correctly retirement allowance) may be scrapped from 2011, but this hasn't happenned as of yet.
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nachoinkorea



Joined: 25 Mar 2009
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 12:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only legal way to not pay into your pension payments is if you are hired (and by that I mean "taxed") as an "independent contractor.

Korean tax law allows you to tax your staff in one of two categories: basic income (which is what most people are taxed) and business income.

Business income is a flat 3.3% and if your company has declared to the local tax office that they are taxing you at this rate then they do not need to provide pension for you, regardless of how many hours you work (this is a loophole in the tax law that makes the labor law requirement for pension a bit fuzzy).

If they are taxing you at basic incom, then you should be getting your pension.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nachoinkorea wrote:
The only legal way to not pay into your pension payments is if you are hired (and by that I mean "taxed") as an "independent contractor.

Korean tax law allows you to tax your staff in one of two categories: basic income (which is what most people are taxed) and business income.

Business income is a flat 3.3% and if your company has declared to the local tax office that they are taxing you at this rate then they do not need to provide pension for you, regardless of how many hours you work (this is a loophole in the tax law that makes the labor law requirement for pension a bit fuzzy)..


Except that most foreign teachers here are on a E-2 visa and you can't be an independent contractor on such a visa.
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Looney



Joined: 23 Dec 2008

PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheUrbanMyth wrote:
nachoinkorea wrote:
The only legal way to not pay into your pension payments is if you are hired (and by that I mean "taxed") as an "independent contractor.

Korean tax law allows you to tax your staff in one of two categories: basic income (which is what most people are taxed) and business income.

Business income is a flat 3.3% and if your company has declared to the local tax office that they are taxing you at this rate then they do not need to provide pension for you, regardless of how many hours you work (this is a loophole in the tax law that makes the labor law requirement for pension a bit fuzzy)..


Except that most foreign teachers here are on a E-2 visa and you can't be an independent contractor on such a visa.


don't know why/how CDI (one of the biggest chains here)get away with this all the time. The majority of their teachers on the hourly plan are classified as independent contractors but nobody bats an eyelid.
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kalbi



Joined: 27 May 2003

PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2009 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Both severance and pension are required by law.

Note however, there are TWO pension schemes here under which a teacher may be enrolled.

1. National Pension

http://www.npc.or.kr/jsppage/main.jsp

2. National Private Teacher's Pension.


Under National Pension, severance is mandated.

HOWEVER, under National Teacher's Pension, severance is optional which translates to no severance in 90% of the cases.

Hope this clears things up.
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