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Ruthdes

Joined: 16 Oct 2008 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 11:34 pm Post subject: Swine Flu xenophobia gone crazy |
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Ok, this is my friend's story, but I found it so unbelievable, I had to post it on here.
Some back story: My friend is half Korean half American, and spent quite a few years of her childhood here growing up. As a result she is bilingual. She lives in a villa with her boyfriend who is also my friend and was my coworker. She originally got the apartment from the hagwon that she was working for for her first year here, then when she quit to become a freelancer, negotiated with the landlady and the hagwon to take over the lease. She could do this easily because she can speak Korean. She has been on good terms with her LL for the duration of her stay here.
So it's now time for them to leave and they were trying to find another teacher to take over the lease and take their stuff so they don't have to lug all the furniture down the stairs from their 6th floor apartment (!).
They found a new coworker of mine who was willing to take it, but her LL then started ringing her on Wednesday telling her that she was worried about letting another foreigner take it because of swine flu....then she got another call...the LL's still worried. Then Thursday morning, my friend was woken up by her LL saying that the replacement tenant couldn't move in because the other tenants had threatened to move out if another foreigner moved in. In addition, a real estate agent had told the LL that they have been refusing to find apartments for foreigners b/c of swine flu!
My friend was understandably furious, as was the man who had thought he had an apartment sorted. Even more stupid is that even if there is a small risk that someone just off the plane might be infected and endanger the other tenants, the man who was supposed to take over has been in Korea for a year, and is from South Africa, which apparently hasn't had any swine flu cases! And just to make things more ironic, the person who is supposedly going to move in instead, is a Korean who is back for the summer after studying in America!!!
I'm really having trouble finding words to describe this...it's just so STUPID! |
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eamo

Joined: 08 Mar 2003 Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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Your co-worker is a victim of ajumma-science.......... |
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Ultimo Hombre
Joined: 13 Oct 2008 Location: BEER STORE
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Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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With all the hooting and hollering about swine flu and the prejudice and what not going along with it, I haven't gotten one strange look from anyone. I know the government is stopping travelers and all, but nobody has really ran for the hills if one of my friends or I cough around them. I really must have it relatively easy here. |
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Adjumas Cheekbones
Joined: 26 May 2009 Location: director's pocket
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Posted: Fri May 29, 2009 5:03 am Post subject: |
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Ultimo Hombre wrote: |
With all the hooting and hollering about swine flu and the prejudice and what not going along with it, I haven't gotten one strange look from anyone. I know the government is stopping travelers and all, but nobody has really ran for the hills if one of my friends or I cough around them. I really must have it relatively easy here. |
My boss told me to stay away from diseased foreigners and eat more
kimchi  |
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michaelambling
Joined: 31 Dec 2008 Location: Paradise
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Posted: Fri May 29, 2009 5:21 am Post subject: |
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Adjumas Cheekbones wrote: |
Ultimo Hombre wrote: |
With all the hooting and hollering about swine flu and the prejudice and what not going along with it, I haven't gotten one strange look from anyone. I know the government is stopping travelers and all, but nobody has really ran for the hills if one of my friends or I cough around them. I really must have it relatively easy here. |
My boss told me to stay away from diseased foreigners and eat more
kimchi  |
This isn't a sock, no way at all... |
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I-am-me

Joined: 21 Feb 2006 Location: Hermit Kingdom
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Posted: Fri May 29, 2009 5:29 am Post subject: |
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I really dont understand how 20 foreigners at a hagwon have H1N1, but no mention of the korean co-workers or even the students!! That is really incredible. I dont think even a whole group like that has been found in the US. Sounds fishy to me.  |
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Forward Observer

Joined: 13 Jan 2009 Location: FOB Gloria
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Posted: Fri May 29, 2009 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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Face it, we're living in a country that has a fair amount of xenophobia - you gotta roll with it. Don't let the bad ones get you down. If someone stares at you funny, or doesn't want to sit next to you on the subway, just walk by them and sneeze really hard in their direction!  |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007 Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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Posted: Fri May 29, 2009 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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Forward Observer wrote: |
Face it, we're living in a country that has a fair amount of xenophobia - you gotta roll with it. |
And a huge amount of face-saving and protecting of the family, for fear of how the paranoid local society will turn them into outcasts.
Ever notice that Koreans don't have AIDS? Well, we had an HIV-infected taxi driver who went around raping dozens of women for nearly a decade, but no mention of the people he raped getting HIV from it.
Koreans have brothels literally every half block in most of the city (Anmas, room salons, etc.) where ajosshis have sex and don't wear condoms, and very little HIV/AIDS. Do you believe it?
Koreans just don't want to talk about their illnesses, and will go to great lengths to hide family problems. They walk around believing crap like Kimchi cures all ailments while disease is allowed to spread.
I have a feeling that swine flu is out and about here, but people don't dare allow their cases to be reported for fear of how it will affect the family, income, etc.. I can very easily see how this kind of information would be surpressed by the gov't.
They won't even allow the full names of criminals to be printed in the paper, by gosh. |
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PeteJB
Joined: 06 Jul 2007
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Posted: Fri May 29, 2009 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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Common mistake, this is not a modern and developed society. Not when it comes to social development, anyway. |
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Teelo

Joined: 09 Oct 2008 Location: Wellington, NZ
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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Fri May 29, 2009 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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doublejj wrote: |
From the previous poster, you'd think the majority of koreans are figuratively straight out of the stone age and not a modern, developed country! |
The country is structurally developed, but when it comes to thinking on matters regarding science, folk wisdom, and what not it's more like in the 1950s in comparison to the West, but Korea is not alone in the world like that. That's common in much of the world. Korea is a developed state when it comes to infrastructure, basic services, and technology, but not when it comes to government services and government efficiency, dealing with matters related to science, labor rights etc.... |
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traxxe

Joined: 21 Feb 2007
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Posted: Fri May 29, 2009 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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Adventurer wrote: |
doublejj wrote: |
From the previous poster, you'd think the majority of koreans are figuratively straight out of the stone age and not a modern, developed country! |
The country is structurally developed, but when it comes to thinking on matters regarding science, folk wisdom, and what not it's more like in the 1950s in comparison to the West, but Korea is not alone in the world like that. That's common in much of the world. Korea is a developed state when it comes to infrastructure, basic services, and technology, but not when it comes to government services and government efficiency, dealing with matters related to science, labor rights etc.... |
Basically, beyond rote memorization methods... you mean Koreans largely struggle to sift through information and draw educated conclusions?
This is the fault of the school system here. MEMORIZE! Don't ask questions.
This is why things like the Beef Riots emerge. Why they get crazy about Swine Flu, etc. Many Koreans (not all; just the ones inundated with the culture) struggle to think for themselves outside of what they are told. |
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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Fri May 29, 2009 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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traxxe wrote: |
Adventurer wrote: |
doublejj wrote: |
From the previous poster, you'd think the majority of koreans are figuratively straight out of the stone age and not a modern, developed country! |
The country is structurally developed, but when it comes to thinking on matters regarding science, folk wisdom, and what not it's more like in the 1950s in comparison to the West, but Korea is not alone in the world like that. That's common in much of the world. Korea is a developed state when it comes to infrastructure, basic services, and technology, but not when it comes to government services and government efficiency, dealing with matters related to science, labor rights etc.... |
Basically, beyond rote memorization methods... you mean Koreans largely struggle to sift through information and draw educated conclusions?
This is the fault of the school system here. MEMORIZE! Don't ask questions.
This is why things like the Beef Riots emerge. Why they get crazy about Swine Flu, etc. Many Koreans (not all; just the ones inundated with the culture) struggle to think for themselves outside of what they are told. |
The fact of the matter is that Korea is not an anomaly. In much of the world that is undeveloped, and Korea only got classified as developed this past year by one survey. The fact that Koreans, on general, do not have as much of the scientific reasoning as people from parts of Western Europe doesn't make them inferior. The key thing that change for much of the West was the Scientific Revolution and the Enlightenment. Korea didn't pass through those things.
But, hey, you've got people in every country like that to some extent who wanted to hold on to antiquated notions that fly in the face of science like "Creationism" which doesn't leave any room for evolution and also the thinking that labels anything as "commie". It's about having conservative, old ideas and being afraid to change. That said, some conservative ideas are good and vital for preserving society, but Koreans focus way too much on the idea that it preserves society.
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saw6436
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Daejeon, ROK
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Posted: Fri May 29, 2009 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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doubleJJ: You forget that, though SK is a developed country in terms of infrastructure and what not, it is a relatively NEWLY developed country. Most Koreans just came off the farm within the last generation or so.
The vast majority of locals are basicly peasants in suits. The term "nouveau riche" sums up the locals. The old ways die hard. |
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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Fri May 29, 2009 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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saw6436 wrote: |
doubleJJ: You forget that, though SK is a developed country in terms of infrastructure and what not, it is a relatively NEWLY developed country. Most Koreans just came off the farm within the last generation or so.
The vast majority of locals are basicly peasants in suits. The term "nouveau riche" sums up the locals. The old ways die hard. |
In some ways, Koreans are worse than they were 50 years ago and in some ways better, and the same for us. Anyway, most countries are developing countries, and a recently developed country takes time before it develops scientifically in terms of the ideas being common currency amongst the hoi poloi. After all, Korea only became a democracy in the 1990s. Korea is basically the norm in the world, not Germany or France. |
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