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wylies99

Joined: 13 May 2006 Location: I'm one cool cat!
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Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 1:34 pm Post subject: Another wacky "English Clinic" column- JooAng Dail |
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http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2905424
Conspiracies and suspicious minds
Freemasonry, a secret fraternal organization, appears in �Angels and Demons� by bestselling author Dan Brown and �Foucault�s Pendulum� by Italian novelist Umberto Eco. Michael Crichton�s techno-thriller �State of Fear� involves an extreme environmentalist who melts the polar caps on purpose to deepen a sense of crisis surrounding climate change.
The plot of organized violence to guard power, fortune and honor is a commonly used narrative in novels. Conspiracy theorists looking at powerful groups with suspicious eyes are also common in the real world. In February 2008, the British magazine The Economist introduced the 10 most popular conspiracy theories found by Web search engine Google. The most frequent Internet postings concern an alleged American government role in the 9/11 terrorist attacks of 2001; Elvis Presley�s supposedly faked death; and questions surrounding why in footage of the Apollo moon mission, the flag is waving, given that the Moon has no atmosphere.
The assassination of John F. Kennedy, the 35th President of the United States, in November 1963 is another prime example. Lee Harvey Oswald was found to be the lone grassy knoll murderer, and he was subsequently murdered by Jack Ruby. Against this backdrop, questions swirl among conspiracy theorists regarding the �real culprits� behind the assassination. The most popular figures involved tend to be the Mafia, the Central Intelligence Agency, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the KGB of the Soviet Union, and the Cuban leader Fidel Castro.
A conspiracy theory circulating about the death of Diana, Princess of Wales� in a car accident in August 1997 has persisted for more than a decade. Many claim that she was killed by MI6, the British Secret Intelligence Service, on orders of Prince Philip, her former father-in-law and husband of the British sovereign, Queen Elizabeth II.
There is a reason why conspiracy theories fail to become established theories. This is because they try to use complicated, rather than simple assumptions to reach a conclusion. Not surprisingly they tend to be illogical and unscientific.
Conspiracy theories have spread like wildfire surrounding the death of former President Roh Moo-hyun due to his bodyguard�s false statement about Roh�s fatal plunge and suspicions over the police investigation.
People may be finding it difficult to accept his sudden suicide as fact. But the core facts of the incident are unlikely to change, in light of his testimony.
Raising conspiracy theories may serve as a catalyst to further investigate his tragic death. However, it is disrespectful and dangerous to circulate false rumors with no tangible grounds, in circumstances where prosecutors are seen as the enemy and further details of the investigation on the deceased could be made public.
The writer is a JoongAng Ilbo reporter who specializes in environmental issues.
By Kang Chan-soo [[email protected]]
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wylies99

Joined: 13 May 2006 Location: I'm one cool cat!
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Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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Some Koreans use this to learn English, but they get even more with their lesson- more bizarre writing.
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Lee Harvey Oswald was found to be the lone grassy knoll murderer, and he was subsequently murdered by Jack Ruby. |
Oh, really?
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There is a reason why conspiracy theories fail to become established theories. This is because they try to use complicated, rather than simple assumptions to reach a conclusion. Not surprisingly they tend to be illogical and unscientific. |
So, "simple assumptions" are always true? Oh, and "Magic Bullet" is logical and scientific?
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Conspiracy theories have spread like wildfire surrounding the death of former President Roh Moo-hyun due to his bodyguard�s false statement about Roh�s fatal plunge and suspicions over the police investigation.
People may be finding it difficult to accept his sudden suicide as fact. But the core facts of the incident are unlikely to change, in light of his testimony.
Raising conspiracy theories may serve as a catalyst to further investigate his tragic death. However, it is disrespectful and dangerous to circulate false rumors with no tangible grounds, in circumstances where prosecutors are seen as the enemy and further details of the investigation on the deceased could be made public.
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This is an strange position for a "journalist" to take- "The official story is true no matter what else may be proven later, so there's no need for any further investigation." Until there is a completed investigation with all of the facts, who knows what is a "false rumor" and what is fact? |
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Gaber

Joined: 23 Apr 2006
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Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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Still, props for referencing Foucault's Pendulum. Great book. |
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billybrobby

Joined: 09 Dec 2004
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Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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It's wacky because it doesn't buy into the JFK conspiracy theories? I gotta say, I didn't see that line of reasoning coming. |
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jkelly80

Joined: 13 Jun 2007 Location: you boys like mexico?
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Posted: Fri May 29, 2009 12:16 am Post subject: |
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billybrobby wrote: |
It's wacky because it doesn't buy into the JFK conspiracy theories? I gotta say, I didn't see that line of reasoning coming. |
JFK was killed by Bob Dobbs. |
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wylies99

Joined: 13 May 2006 Location: I'm one cool cat!
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Posted: Fri May 29, 2009 12:33 am Post subject: |
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billybrobby wrote: |
It's wacky because it doesn't buy into the JFK conspiracy theories? I gotta say, I didn't see that line of reasoning coming. |
The article puts Oswald on the Grassy Knoll.  |
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Pojogae
Joined: 30 Oct 2008
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Posted: Fri May 29, 2009 1:17 am Post subject: |
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Give the guy a break. Apart from getting the Grassy Knoll bit wrong, it seems to be reasonably well written, if not particularly interesting. You should just be grateful he isn't writing about English Teachers doing drugs. |
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moosehead

Joined: 05 May 2007
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Posted: Fri May 29, 2009 7:16 am Post subject: |
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Pojogae wrote: |
Give the guy a break. Apart from getting the Grassy Knoll bit wrong, it seems to be reasonably well written, if not particularly interesting. You should just be grateful he isn't writing about English Teachers doing drugs. |
are you kidding me? wow - bet you watch Fox News on a regular basis and haven't cracked a nonfiction book - since- well - ever ???
stick to your Weekly Reader where there's always a happy ending, there there now, no boogey man under the bed  |
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moosehead

Joined: 05 May 2007
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Posted: Fri May 29, 2009 7:18 am Post subject: Re: Another wacky "English Clinic" column- JooAng |
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wylies99 wrote: |
The writer is a JoongAng Ilbo reporter who specializes in environmental issues.
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this is my favorite part.
maybe he should stick to writing about K's 4 seasons  |
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Pojogae
Joined: 30 Oct 2008
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Posted: Fri May 29, 2009 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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moosehead wrote: |
Pojogae wrote: |
Give the guy a break. Apart from getting the Grassy Knoll bit wrong, it seems to be reasonably well written, if not particularly interesting. You should just be grateful he isn't writing about English Teachers doing drugs. |
are you kidding me? wow - bet you watch Fox News on a regular basis and haven't cracked a nonfiction book - since- well - ever ???
stick to your Weekly Reader where there's always a happy ending, there there now, no boogey man under the bed  |
For a post of just a few sentences you fail on so many points.
1. Nowhere do I state that I agree with the man. Nor does it really matter. The thing is for an English Clinic, so the substance of it is of only secondary importance.
2. His article is well written, as tacitly admitted by yourself by failing to attack any of his English skills. It's particularly well written considering that English is probably his second language.
3. I don't need things I read in the media to accord with what I believe to accept them. As long as the writer refrains from hysteria, misrepresentation (ok, he got the Grassy Knoll bit wrong), or crude appeals to emotion then it is valid and credible journalism.
4. A man specialising in environmental matters is just as entitled to write on conspiracies as an English teacher is to write on the structural integrity of pedestrian overpasses in Hannam (it was Hannam wasn't it?) that vibrate a little when traffic goes past.
5. I read an enormous amount of non-fiction, and have probably clocked up over forty such books this year so far.
6. I think Fox News is a blight on humanity.
Bet you're not as bright and insightful as you think you are, Moosey. |
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moosehead

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Posted: Fri May 29, 2009 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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Pojogae wrote: |
For a post of just a few sentences you fail on so many points.
1. Nowhere do I state that I agree with the man. Nor does it really matter. The thing is for an English Clinic, so the substance of it is of only secondary importance. |
hmm, I believe the word you might be looking for is article? essay? even piece would be acceptable - but "thing?" don't think so.
strike one on poor use of vocabulary.
furthermore substance is important, it's in a newspaper first of all and second of all, unless it's written specifically as a work of fiction, it should have a basis in fact, not hearsay and inuendo.
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2. His article is well written, as tacitly admitted by yourself by failing to attack any of his English skills. It's particularly well written considering that English is probably his second language. |
withholding comments or critique of someone's writing is not a failure in any sense of the word - oops strike 2
moreover, any well-read individual should be able to see his writing is mostly paraphrased from others' articles and reports. nowhere was anything original written, theorized or at the very least, a new opinion proffered as to what he was talking about. on the contrary, the essay was quite typical for K students - unorganized, leaping to general conclusions without basis, changing the subject from one moment to the next, etc.
if something is published in an E newspaper I expect the writing to be of a certain level of competence - not being a native speaker isn't a valid excuse.
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3. I don't need things I read in the media to accord with what I believe to accept them. As long as the writer refrains from hysteria, misrepresentation (ok, he got the Grassy Knoll bit wrong), or crude appeals to emotion then it is valid and credible journalism. |
wow - this is just so wrong on so many fronts for so many reasons - it would take many beers I think for me to sit down with you and explain this in detail.
let me just leave it at this - "valid and credible journalism" is based on well-researched, sourced information which has been verified, confirmed and held up to scrutiny. many experts have stated it's a rarity these days and I would tend to agree. no, you shouldn't need "things" (there's that misused word again!) you read in the media to accord with what you believe in order to accept it - but at the same time - are you willing to understand that sometimes what's presented in the media is an out and out lie? or distortion?
that's the fundamental question.
no strike just a foul based on ignorance - hmmm -
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4. A man specialising in environmental matters is just as entitled to write on conspiracies as an English teacher is to write on the structural integrity of pedestrian overpasses in Hannam (it was Hannam wasn't it?) that vibrate a little when traffic goes past. |
oooh big strike here for failing to recognize sarcasm - the fact is K's environmental record is absymal to say the least - and given the writer's pejorative opinion towards alternative viewpoints - in fact he clearly is of a conservative nature as expressed by this article - I would not consider him worthy of writing about anything worthwhile in this world, least of all the planet itself.
as to why you should choose to disparage someone for being an English teacher (perhaps your own insecurity?) and believe that in and of itself is sufficient reason to disbelieve what someone should say that is not regarding the subject matter of teaching E - hmm - do I smell hypocrisy somewhere? when you just defended this "man" (as you described him rather than just saying writer) for being an environmental writer but writing about a different subject?
add to that an obvious lack of reading comprehension due to the fact when I wrote about that bridge, it was due to its structure and how out-of-balance the spanned length is to the height; the shaking was not the fundamental flaw that I observed.
but please do us all a favor and stay on topic, shall we? I really don't care to rehash an old topic that was discussed at length once before.
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5. I read an enormous amount of non-fiction, and have probably clocked up over forty such books this year so far. |
but when was the last time you read an author you disagreed with? or researched one of those "conspiracy" theories you believe are so baseless (or whatever)?
it is quality, you know, not quantity. letting the book of the month club decide for you is not exactly allowing one's mind to expand into new territory.
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6. I think Fox News is a blight on humanity. |
first intelligent thing you've said - kudos for this - maybe there's hope for you yet.
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Bet you're not as bright and insightful as you think you are, Moosey. |
actually I'm ever bit as bright, insightful and brilliant as I imagine myself to be!
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