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mises
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 Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 3:33 pm Post subject: UK: Police 'arrest innocent youths for their DNA' |
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Where else? I wonder if even China does this.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/5444332/Police-arrest-innocent-youths-for-their-DNA-officer-claims.html
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Officers are targeting children as young as 10 with the aim of placing their DNA profiles on the national database to improve their chances of solving crimes, it is claimed.
The alleged practice is also described as part of a "long-term crime prevention strategy" to dissuade youths from committing offences in the future.
The claim comes amid widespread criticism of government proposals to store DNA profiles of innocent people, including some children, on the database for up to 12 years.
Civil liberty campaigners have condemned the tactic of as "diabolical" and said it showed contempt for children's freedom.
A Metropolitan Police officer made the claims after figures were released showing that 386 under-18s had their DNA taken and stored by police last year in Camden, north London.
The officer said: "Have we got targets for young people who have not been arrested yet? The answer is yes. But we are not just waiting outside schools to pick them up, we are acting on intelligence.
"It is part of a long-term crime prevention strategy. If you know you have had your DNA taken and it is on a database then you will think twice about committing burglary for a living. |
The United Kingdom is not a free country by any measure. For Canucks and Americans, they serve as a road-map and destination for where our political class would like to take us (especially in Canada).
http://www.samizdata.net/blog/archives/2009/06/so_why_is_this.html |
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RufusW
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| Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 7:40 pm Post subject: Re: UK: Police 'arrest innocent youths for their DNA' |
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| mises wrote: |
| The United Kingdom is not a free country by any measure. |
Crikey! That's a bit of a sweeping statement. Are there any countries that are free by your measure? |
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bacasper
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| Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 10:20 pm Post subject: Re: UK: Police 'arrest innocent youths for their DNA' |
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| mises wrote: |
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| Officers are targeting children as young as 10 with the aim of placing their DNA profiles on the national database to improve their chances of solving crimes, it is claimed. |
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What? Well, if that doesn't amount to downright police malpractice, I don't know what does.
I mean, the police are going to wait until crimes are committed, AND THEN solve them??? Why not just offer ourselves up on a silver platter to these criminals?
Clearly, the only responsible course of action is to lock up those ten-year-olds NOW. They know the crimes are going to happen, but they just rather sit on their butts and eat donuts. WTF?
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Kuros
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| Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 10:34 pm Post subject: Re: UK: Police 'arrest innocent youths for their DNA' |
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| RufusW wrote: |
| mises wrote: |
| The United Kingdom is not a free country by any measure. |
Crikey! That's a bit of a sweeping statement. Are there any countries that are free by your measure? |
I'd also like to see a more complete case for this. |
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mises
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| Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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The question is a distraction. In the case of the UK, we have a well developed police state. Canada, sadly, will follow the model nicely. But already in Canada we have thought crimes, though individuals have only been dragged to a kangaroo court and not sentenced. I'm sure they regret making their example of Ezra Levant. But it will not stop them, as we've already seen supposedly conservative Alberta refuse to pull back.
Freedom as manifested in social democracy is all a lie, sorry to say. Actual classical liberal freedom probably isn't in our nature anyways. |
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RufusW
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| Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 2:26 am Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
| Freedom as manifested in social democracy is all a lie, sorry to say. Actual classical liberal freedom probably isn't in our nature anyways. |
Well you've got to give us a follow-up on this...intriguing.
The obvious defence of moves like this is the increase in police efficiency and the argument that 'if you haven't done anything wrong it doesn't matter'. I wouldn't be surprised if eventually DNA of every individual was held by the state, incorporated with ID cards which may or may not be coming in pretty soon. I think you could make the case that there isn't anything inherently wrong with this.... but I won't.
| bacasper wrote: |
| I mean, the police are going to wait until crimes are committed, AND THEN solve them??? |
I think that's exactly how police are meant to operate. |
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bacasper
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| Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 2:35 am Post subject: |
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| RufusW wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
| I mean, the police are going to wait until crimes are committed, AND THEN solve them??? |
I think that's exactly how police are meant to operate. |
Did you miss or not get the at the end of my post? |
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RufusW
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| Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 2:47 am Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| Did you miss or not get the :roll: at the end of my post? |
Yup, I missed it. |
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bacasper
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| Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 7:51 am Post subject: |
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Wasn't this foreshadowed in the film Minority Report?
It is also referred to in my thread, Obama's Minority Report in which I discuss his new plan for prolonged detention of those we cannot convict. |
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