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Goku



Joined: 10 Dec 2008

PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 10:22 pm    Post subject: Why English is so hard to learn Reply with quote

I'm sure this has been posted but what the hey:

* We polish the Polish furniture.
* He could lead if he would get the lead out.
* A farm can produce produce.
* The dump was so full it had to refuse refuse.
* The soldier decided to desert in the desert.
* The present is a good time to present the present.
* At the Army base, a bass was painted on the head of a bass drum.
* The dove dove into the bushes.
* I did not object to the object.
* The insurance for the invalid was invalid.
* The bandage was wound around the wound.
* There was a row among the oarsmen about how to row.
* They were too close to the door to close it.
* The buck does funny things when the does are present.
* They sent a sewer down to stitch the tear in the sewer line.
* To help with planting, the farmer taught his sow to sow.
* The wind was too strong to wind the sail.
* After a number of Novocain injections, my jaw got number.
* I shed a tear when I saw the tear in my clothes.
* I had to subject the subject to a series of tests.
* How can I intimate this to my most intimate friend?
* I spent last evening evening out a pile of dirt.
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Privateer



Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.

PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No need to look out or look down when things are looking up.
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WendyRose



Joined: 10 Dec 2008
Location: hanam-si, seoul

PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought this was fun:

"There is a two-letter word that perhaps has more meanings than any other two-letter word, and that is "UP."

It's easy to understand UP, meaning toward the sky or at the top of the list, but when we awaken in the morning, why do we wake UP? At a meeting, why does a topic come UP? Why do we speak UP and why are the officers UP for election, and why is it UP to the secretary to write UP a report?
We call UP our friends. We brigthen UP a room, polish UP the silver, we warm UP the leftovers and clean UP the kitchen. We lock UP the house and some guys fix UP the old car.

At other times the little word has real special meaning. People stir UP trouble, line UP for tickets, work UP an appetite, and think UP excuses. To be dressed is one thing, but to be dressed UP is special.

And this UP is confusing: A drain must be opened UP because it is stopped UP. We open UP a store in the morning but we close it UP at night.

We seem to be pretty mixed UP about UP! To be knowledgeable about the proper uses of UP, look the word UP in the dictionary. In a desk-sized dictionary, it takes UP almost 1/4th of the page and can add UP to about thirty definitions. If you are UP to it, you might try building UP a list of the many ways UP is used. It will take UP a lot of your time, but if you don't give UP, you may wind UP with a hundred or more.

When it threatens to rain, we say it is clouding UP. When the sun comes out we say it is clearing UP. When it rains, it wets the earth and often messes things UP. When it doesn't rain for awhile, things dry UP.

One could go on and on, but I'll wrap it UP, for now my time is UP."
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yawarakaijin



Joined: 08 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ahh Phrasal Verbs. Is there any other language with such a ridiculous conglomeration of verbs? If I were studying English as my second language I am pretty sure I would have personally killed between at least 10-15 of my instructors out of the sheer frustration of trying to understand the logic behind these particular verbs.

Why is it that we need to have the verb "put out" when the verb extinguish does the job nicely. Why then have we also decided that "put out" could also mean to spread your legs for the first available guy to come along? Completely insane if you ask me.

Then we go another step further by making them seperable or inseperable. Then if that isn't bad enough, half of them, as if we were playing some horrible joke on future language learners, can be so easily messed up as to make our cute little students seem like pornstars.

I will never forget one class I had in Vancouver. A very pretty 19 year old girl from Japan, when telling us about her first adventure to a Canadian nightclub, proudly proclaimed how fun it was having some many boys come on her in one night. After I almost pissed myself in class I managed to clue her in on why half the class was laughing so hard. It's come on to you little aya-chan, not come on. Wink
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hamlet712



Joined: 16 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 1:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ravel and unravel mean the same thing
so does flammable and inflammable
So does regardless and irregardless.

Your house burns up as it burns down
you play at a recital and recite at a play.

Singers sing, why dont fingers fing?

NOt to mention the fact that there are EIGHT different ways to pronouce the OUGH letter combination

1) dough ( oh)
2) trough (off)
3) slough (ew)
4) Rough (uff)
5) Hicough (up)
6) McLoughlin (ock)
7) plough (ow)
Cool sough (ooch)
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Rory_Calhoun27



Joined: 14 Feb 2009

PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 3:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why do we drive on a parkway and park on a driveway? It's crazy... Mad
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beercanman



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 5:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got in a taxi but had to get on the bus. I nearly fell off.
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Privateer



Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.

PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 7:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yawarakaijin wrote:
Ahh Phrasal Verbs. Is there any other language with such a ridiculous conglomeration of verbs? If I were studying English as my second language I am pretty sure I would have personally killed between at least 10-15 of my instructors out of the sheer frustration of trying to understand the logic behind these particular verbs.


Phrasal verbs are the best part of English. Expressive, versatile, multi-layered, subtle in meaning, indispensable, and very often not replaceable by single words. To cut up is not the same as to cut or to dissect.

I've never once taught them to students here though, for whatever that says about me as a teacher and/or the state of English education here.
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oskinny1



Joined: 10 Nov 2006
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 7:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hamlet712 wrote:
ravel and unravel mean the same thing
so does flammable and inflammable
So does regardless and irregardless.


"Irregardless" is not a word.
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beercanman



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it shouldn't be a word, but ...

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irregardless


irregardless
One entry found.

Main Entry:
ir�re�gard�less Listen to the pronunciation of irregardless
Pronunciation:
\ˌir-i-ˈg�rd-ləs\
Function:
adverb
Etymology:
probably blend of irrespective and regardless
Date:
circa 1912

nonstandard : regardless
usage Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that �there is no such word.� There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance. Use regardless instead.
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hamlet712



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oskinny1 wrote:
hamlet712 wrote:
ravel and unravel mean the same thing
so does flammable and inflammable
So does regardless and irregardless.


"Irregardless" is not a word.


As another poster said, it IS a word, has been for years ( as improper of a word as it is)
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hamlet712



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 5:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How do you pronounce this word?

GHOTI


Its very easy, you pronounce this word as FISH!!!!!!!

Yep that's right GHOTI is the same as FISH!

How you may ask?

How do you say the letters GH in the word enough? F
How do you say the letter O in the word women? I
How do you say the letters TI in the word action? SH

So there you GHOTI is an acceptable way to spell FISH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yet another example you can use to criticise how completely stupid the language is.
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Privateer



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, back to the phonetic alphabet debate...Fine, if you want to spell every word phonetically every English-speaking country - hell every region, every individual even - will end up spelling words differently.

English spelling makes perfect sense or otherwise we wouldn't be able to read; one only needs to recognize the family resemblances between particular groups of words and the way they are spelt.
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oskinny1



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Privateer wrote:
Oh, back to the phonetic alphabet debate...Fine, if you want to spell every word phonetically every English-speaking country - hell every region, every individual even - will end up spelling words differently.

English spelling makes perfect sense or otherwise we wouldn't be able to read; one only needs to recognize the family resemblances between particular groups of words and the way they are spelt.


spelled Very Happy
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hamlet712



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Privateer wrote:
Oh, back to the phonetic alphabet debate...Fine, if you want to spell every word phonetically every English-speaking country - hell every region, every individual even - will end up spelling words differently.

English spelling makes perfect sense or otherwise we wouldn't be able to read; one only needs to recognize the family resemblances between particular groups of words and the way they are spelt.


Yes because its so easy for a second language learner to grasp that virtually every vowel can be pronounced at least 5 different ways, and that pretty much ALL vowels in one word or another make the sound of another vowel ( as in the women example)

Yes because its so easy for a second language learner to grasp that "ough" can be said 8 different ways ( however theres basically only six in common speech) not ONE of them is how the words actually sound prima facia

Yes because its so easy for a second language learner to grasp that i before e except after c unless its says "ay" as in neigher and weigh - Unless you are talking about the 100 other words that dont follow this rule like beige, rotweiller, caffiene, weird etc ( as i said there is over 100)

Yes because its so easy for a second language learner to grasp that wind ( a watch) and wind (weather) are two different words and pronounced differently - thats a simple example there are many other longer and more complex words that would cause problems

The you have silent k's slient p's, silent gh's, figuring out when a G sounds like a G and when it sounds like a J, figuring out when a c sounds like a K and when it sounds like an s, WAIT A MINUTE if the letter c doesnt even have its own sound, why do we have it? HOnestly?????


Yes the english language is a stupid language, maybe others like french and german have similar problems, but its a stupid language, that were it not for the historical spreading of it over the last 500 years, no one would want to learn it as it's second only to chinese as the hardest language to grasp.

It's as simple as that. there are so many broken rules, stupid spellings, and complex sentence structures that learning it is not easy.
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