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tfunk

Joined: 12 Aug 2006 Location: Dublin, Ireland
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 3:32 am Post subject: Donating wheelchairs to people who drag themselves. |
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How much do wheelchairs cost in Korea?
Would a wheelchair be of benefit to a person that drags themself along the ground in Korea? I'm talking about quality of life...is there a significant difference between being a homeless person in a wheelchair and a homeless person who drags themself around? Is this a simplification of the issue?
Would they accept a wheelchair?
What is the best way to give a wheelchair to a person? (via charity etc.) |
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phoneboothface
Joined: 26 Apr 2009 Location: Korea
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 3:58 am Post subject: |
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My first thought was that they wouldn't look so 불쌍해 so people might give them less money.
휠체어s on gmarket seem to run from like 50k to 200k or so.
But this is a great idea and I hope someone replies with some real help. |
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tfunk

Joined: 12 Aug 2006 Location: Dublin, Ireland
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 4:03 am Post subject: |
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| phoneboothface wrote: |
My first thought was that they wouldn't look so 불쌍해 so people might give them less money.
휠체어s on gmarket seem to run from like 50k to 200k or so.
But this is a great idea and I hope someone replies with some real help. |
My students actually perked up when I started asking them questions about this topic. Somebody said 180,000 but I don't know what his source was (I was delighted that he gave his opinion).
Edit: Cheers phoneboothface, I just checked out gmarket.co.kr. I've difficulty navigating the site though and couldn't find any for 50K. The lack of people in wheelchairs here is outstanding given the population I see on the streets, subways etc. I asked my students about this and they said they stay at home. |
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djsmnc

Joined: 20 Jan 2003 Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Skateboards would be so much more cool. Then they can still drag themselves albeit less painfully. They could stash it when asking for money too. |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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Who are people more likely to give money to? A man dragging himself pitifully on the ground or a man in a wheelchair.
Next time follow the guy around at the end of the day as he crawls into his Mercedes and drives of home. |
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Bibbitybop

Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:36 am Post subject: |
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| ED209 wrote: |
Who are people more likely to give money to? A man dragging himself pitifully on the ground or a man in a wheelchair.
Next time follow the guy around at the end of the day as he crawls into his Mercedes and drives of home. |
This. Sometime |
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chemicalblur
Joined: 30 May 2009
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Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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| If you look carefully, you will notice that many of the crawling beggars are not crippled at all, with both legs intact and functioning properly. I don't know where they get the rubber leg casings, but I got to get myself some. |
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seoulsucker

Joined: 05 Mar 2006 Location: The Land of the Hesitant Cutoff
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Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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Newsflash: at least 80% of those guys can walk perfectly fine.
A friend here told me once that most of them are either mentally ill, or have screwed up so badly with local gangs that they were forced to pay off their debt in the most humiliating way possible. |
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alphakennyone

Joined: 01 Aug 2005 Location: city heights
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Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Every Korean (and a lot on this board) says that the homeless/handicapped in Korea are fake. Since I haven't seen any proof of that, I chalk it up as face saving (there are no homeless/crippled/PTSD Vietnam war vets in Korea) or as an excuse for coldness. |
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ChopChaeJoe
Joined: 05 Mar 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 2:30 am Post subject: |
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Sounds like a snarky, Dlckhead kind of post to me. If you want to help, then do so, if not then don't. You sound like a creep.
(And any check of my posts will show I never flame, so my apologies if I'm wrong.) |
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tfunk

Joined: 12 Aug 2006 Location: Dublin, Ireland
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Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 6:29 am Post subject: |
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| If you look carefully, you will notice that many of the crawling beggars are not crippled at all, with both legs intact and functioning properly. |
I've noticed they have their legs intact, but I've never taken that as a sign that people can walk....most people in wheelchairs in my country have their legs intact.
You say they function...as in they get up and walk? Having the ability to move your leg from the hip doesn't mean you can walk. |
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tfunk

Joined: 12 Aug 2006 Location: Dublin, Ireland
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Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 6:56 am Post subject: |
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| seoulsucker wrote: |
Newsflash: at least 80% of those guys can walk perfectly fine.
A friend here told me once that most of them are either mentally ill, or have screwed up so badly with local gangs that they were forced to pay off their debt in the most humiliating way possible. |
Where did your friend get his info from? |
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Robot_Teacher
Joined: 18 Feb 2009 Location: Robotting Around the World
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Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 8:07 am Post subject: |
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I'd venture they don't want nor need our help as if they did want wheelchairs, they'd have them. In fact, I'm seeing old people in electric wheelchairs getting around town to visit their friends while a few really poor elderly and disabled have regular wheelchairs. These wheelchairs are no different than in America. They're a common sight outside in my hood now the weather is nice and warm.
While I feel for the severely downtrodden, the beggars you see dragging themselves on the ground wearing rubber are intentionally looking pitiful for money. It's a put on and I'd venture to say that the ones who do need a wheelchair already have one, but don't use it when working.
I'm sure most Koreans know this, but don't openly talk about these sorts of things like Westerners do though some Koreans are warm hearted people who help fellow Koreans in need much like how it works in Western touristy places. The streets of Europe can really grip and rip your heart and I gave away a lot of money over the years even though I'm not rich.
The Korean rubber legged beggars are different in that is their life work and career, but they are the downtrodden unemployable for whatever reasons be. If rubber legged begging weren't a way of working, a few Koreans would had already taken wheelchairs to the markets and sat these people in them. I do not believe a foreigner doing this would be very well received in a way you had hope it would be. Some rubber leggers even push a larger board through markets selling small simple things rather than simply begging with a speaker playing a sad tune. |
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Khenan

Joined: 25 Dec 2007
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Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Not that I'm saying the rubber-leg guys have it easy, but have you ever considered how completely awful this country is for someone in a wheelchair? Forget about the sidewalks being uneven for a moment - every single store, and most buildings, have at least one step at the entry way. Forget about using the subway or bus system, for the most part. |
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djsmnc

Joined: 20 Jan 2003 Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 10:05 am Post subject: |
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| Robot_Teacher wrote: |
While I feel for the severely downtrodden, the beggars you see dragging themselves on the ground wearing rubber are intentionally looking pitiful for money. It's a put on and I'd venture to say that the ones who do need a wheelchair already have one, but don't use it when working.
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Whether or not it's a put-on doesn't really matter. If anyone is willing to take on such wretched humiliation, it's probably because they are somehow in need. I don't meet many people who say "Haha, I'm gonna trick people into giving me money by putting on rubber leg covers and crawling on the filthy streets of Korea today!" |
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