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dmbfan
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 Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 9:28 pm Post subject: America's decent into Marxism...pages 1 & 2 |
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www.drudgereport.com/http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/107459-1/
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It must be said, that like the breaking of a great dam, the American decent into Marxism is happening with breath taking speed, against the back drop of a passive, hapless sheeple, excuse me dear reader, I meant people
True, the situation has been well prepared on and off for the past century, especially the past twenty years. The initial testing grounds was conducted upon our Holy Russia and a bloody test it was. But we Russians would not just roll over and give up our freedoms and our souls, no matter how much money Wall Street poured into the fists of the Marxists.
Those lessons were taken and used to properly prepare the American populace for the surrender of their freedoms and souls, to the whims of their elites and betters.
First, the population was dumbed down through a politicized and substandard education system based on pop culture, rather then the classics. Americans know more about their favorite TV dramas then the drama in DC that directly affects their lives. They care more for their "right" to choke down a McDonalds burger or a BurgerKing burger than for their constitutional rights. Then they turn around and lecture us about our rights and about our "democracy". Pride blind the foolish.
Then their faith in God was destroyed, until their churches, all tens of thousands of different "branches and denominations" were for the most part little more then Sunday circuses and their televangelists and top protestant mega preachers were more then happy to sell out their souls and flocks to be on the "winning" side of one pseudo Marxist politician or another. Their flocks may complain, but when explained that they would be on the "winning" side, their flocks were ever so quick to reject Christ in hopes for earthly power. Even our Holy Orthodox churches are scandalously liberalized in America.
The final collapse has come with the election of Barack Obama. His speed in the past three months has been truly impressive. His spending and money printing has been a record setting, not just in America's short history but in the world. If this keeps up for more then another year, and there is no sign that it will not, America at best will resemble the Wiemar Republic and at worst Zimbabwe.
These past two weeks have been the most breath taking of all. First came the announcement of a planned redesign of the American Byzantine tax system, by the very thieves who used it to bankroll their thefts, loses and swindles of hundreds of billions of dollars. These make our Russian oligarchs look little more then ordinary street thugs, in comparison. Yes, the Americans have beat our own thieves in the shear volumes. Should we congratulate them? |
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These men, of course, are not an elected panel but made up of appointees picked from the very financial oligarchs and their henchmen who are now gorging themselves on trillions of American dollars, in one bailout after another. They are also usurping the rights, duties and powers of the American congress (parliament). Again, congress has put up little more then a whimper to their masters.
Then came Barack Obama's command that GM's (General Motor) president step down from leadership of his company. That is correct, dear reader, in the land of "pure" free markets, the American president now has the power, the self given power, to fire CEOs and we can assume other employees of private companies, at will. Come hither, go dither, the centurion commands his minions.
So it should be no surprise, that the American president has followed this up with a "bold" move of declaring that he and another group of unelected, chosen stooges will now redesign the entire automotive industry and will even be the guarantee of automobile policies. I am sure that if given the chance, they would happily try and redesign it for the whole of the world, too. Prime Minister Putin, less then two months ago, warned Obama and UK's Blair, not to follow the path to Marxism, it only leads to disaster. Apparently, even though we suffered 70 years of this Western sponsored horror show, we know nothing, as foolish, drunken Russians, so let our "wise" Anglo-Saxon fools find out the folly of their own pride.
Again, the American public has taken this with barely a whimper...but a "freeman" whimper.
So, should it be any surprise to discover that the Democratically controlled Congress of America is working on passing a new regulation that would give the American Treasury department the power to set "fair" maximum salaries, evaluate performance and control how private companies give out pay raises and bonuses? Senator Barney Franks, a social pervert basking in his homosexuality (of course, amongst the modern, enlightened American societal norm, as well as that of the general West, homosexuality is not only not a looked down upon life choice, but is often praised as a virtue) and his Marxist enlightenment, has led this effort. He stresses that this only affects companies that receive government monies, but it is retroactive and taken to a logical extreme, this would include any company or industry that has ever received a tax break or incentive.
The Russian owners of American companies and industries should look thoughtfully at this and the option of closing their facilities down and fleeing the land of the Red as fast as possible. In other words, divest while there is still value left.
The proud American will go down into his slavery with out a fight, beating his chest and proclaiming to the world, how free he really is. The world will only snicker. |
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Pink Freud
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| Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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dmbfan
Joined: 09 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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"De-Nial" is not only a river in Egypt..............
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DC in Suwon
Joined: 14 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Sun May 31, 2009 12:56 am Post subject: |
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| Wow..... |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sun May 31, 2009 7:11 am Post subject: |
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Then came Barack Obama's command that GM's (General Motor) president step down from leadership of his company. That is correct, dear reader, in the land of "pure" free markets, the American president now has the power, the self given power, to fire CEOs and we can assume other employees of private companies, at will. Come hither, go dither, the centurion commands his minions.
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Maybe the original bailout could be contrued(albeit rather creatively) as an example of encroaching Marxism. But once GM agreed to take the money(which they had asked for in the first place), it seems to me that Obama was well within his rights to tell the company who they can and can't have as their CEO. If GM thinks that's a gross infringement on their free-market rights, they can send the money back. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sun May 31, 2009 7:23 am Post subject: |
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| First, the population was dumbed down through a politicized and substandard education system based on pop culture, rather then the classics. Americans know more about their favorite TV dramas then the drama in DC that directly affects their lives. They care more for their "right" to choke down a McDonalds burger or a BurgerKing burger than for their constitutional rights. |
Interesting how the rhetoric of cultural conservatives kind of dovetails with that of the anti-globalization movement. Pop culture bad, McDonald's bad, etc.
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Even our Holy Orthodox churches are scandalously liberalized in America.
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It would appear that Pravda has now dedicated itself to indirectly promoting the Christopher Hitchens view of the world, ie. people who don't like the USA are all a bunch of reactionary religious fanatics, insanely hateful of the liberal values that America respresents.
Were I conspiracy-minded, I'd wonder if this wasn't a CIA-run black-ops, designed to make anti-Americanism look unattractive to the Left. |
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Manner of Speaking
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| Posted: Sun May 31, 2009 8:15 am Post subject: |
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[quote="On the other hand"]
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| First, the population was dumbed down through a politicized and substandard education system based on pop culture, rather then the classics. Americans know more about their favorite TV dramas then the drama in DC that directly affects their lives. |
Good point. One of the things I've noticed about the Fox network over the years is that they consistently produce shows that tend to attack and belittle poor people, powerless people, people who become petty criminals out of poverty, etc. You notice after a while that they don't do many shows where it is ok to go after rich, powerful, irresponsible types. Good strategy...get the poor and disenfranchised to go after each other, rather than promote a stable middle class or a more equal society. |
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Koveras
Joined: 09 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Sun May 31, 2009 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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| The funny thing is while in the USSR communism was violently enforced by a ruthless tyrannical regime, in America over time people have gladly descended into it while hailing every step downward as a triumph of freedom. America is a Marxist society, but not for the merely economic reasons cited in the article, which are secondary at best. I would delve into it but I doubt anyone is interested in what i have to say. |
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patongpanda
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RufusW
Joined: 14 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Sun May 31, 2009 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Koveras wrote: |
| America is a Marxist society, but not for the merely economic reasons cited in the article, which are secondary at best. I would delve into it but I doubt anyone is interested in what i have to say. |
I would love to hear from you how America is Marxist. |
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Koveras
Joined: 09 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Sun May 31, 2009 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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| RufusW wrote: |
| Koveras wrote: |
| America is a Marxist society, but not for the merely economic reasons cited in the article, which are secondary at best. I would delve into it but I doubt anyone is interested in what i have to say. |
I would love to hear from you how America is Marxist. |
It sounds like you're being sarcastic. |
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RufusW
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| Posted: Sun May 31, 2009 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Sorry, I wasn't, I really do want to hear. |
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lithium
Joined: 18 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Sun May 31, 2009 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Koveras wrote: |
| The funny thing is while in the USSR communism was violently enforced by a ruthless tyrannical regime, in America over time people have gladly descended into it while hailing every step downward as a triumph of freedom. America is a Marxist society, but not for the merely economic reasons cited in the article, which are secondary at best. I would delve into it but I doubt anyone is interested in what i have to say. |
Very true. It's a shame that the America my kids will grow up in is not the America I did. America simply can not survive with this liberal government and no counter measures. |
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Koveras
Joined: 09 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 6:50 am Post subject: |
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| America is a Marxist society, but not for the merely economic reasons cited in the article, which are secondary at best. I would delve into it but I doubt anyone is interested in what i have to say. |
I would love to hear from you how America is Marxist. |
It's a matter of the one horizon afforded by both systems, which corresponds exactly to what Nietzsche termed the last man. That is, man reduced to an animal, in that stage which Marxists and capitalists alike have called the "end of history". The philosopher of globalization Alexandre Koj�ve is instructive in this regard. After his visits to the US he recognized that it was in reality a more advanced communist society than was his homeland the USSR. Here are a few quotations from his Introduction to Reading Hegel:
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| ...the Hegelian-Marxist end of History was not yet to come, but was already present, here and now [in the West]... One can even say that from a certain point of view, the United States has already attained the final stage of Marxist 'communism'..." |
That was in 1950.
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| The definitive annihilation of Man properly so-called also means the definitive disappearance of human Discourse (Logos) in the strict sense. Animals of the species Homo sapiens would react by conditioned reflexes to vocal signals of sign language, and thus their so-called discourses would be like what is supposed to be the �language of bees�. What would disappear, then, is not only Philosophy or the search for discursive Wisdom, but also that Wisdom itself. For in these post-historical animals, there would no longer be any discursive understanding of the World and of self. |
So you see now why I say that 'economic bailouts' are at best secondary... Marxism was never about economic policy first and foremost: it was about historicism and a repudiation of spirituality and of everything in man that is more than animal. That was Marx's first move, his most basic assumption. And it was common to the USSR and the West. |
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RufusW
Joined: 14 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 7:46 am Post subject: |
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| ...man reduced to an animal... |
Yes, we are animals.
Anyway, I'm too drunk now to respond properly to your argument. However, 'the end of history' was popularised by Fukuyama, a neo-con. I completely believe in an 'end of history' and I think it's inevitable. However, I would argue, further than Fukuyama, that this would be a socialist democratic society, not necessarily Marxism but very close to it - this is the end result of true democracy.
I look forward to bashing this one out..... |
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