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bcoral99
Joined: 26 Mar 2008
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 Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:09 pm Post subject: issues with school |
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Hi I just have a question for you guys in the public school system. My gf is in a public elementary school and she is having some trouble. of course her principle is a dick, so it makes it tougher.
basically, every thursday, she has been told or made to do a reading in front of the whole school for 10 or 20 minutes, of course no pay but she doesnt mind i guess although it is at 850 am before her classes so its a little tight. also, she is doing a drama class or helping out and of course the principle doesnt want to pay her, of course, but the principle is giving her extra vacation but the kicker is that the principle now wants her to practice with the kids during her lunch period for 20 minutes a day. so like at 1240 when her lunch starts at 1220. and they didnt even tell her how long they want her to do this which is typical.
i told her that she should either get pay or more vacation time or just say no if none of these conditions are met. she is not too sure. the co teacher just told her u have to because she has to do extra work but that is bull cause we are not korean teachers and we are not under the same contract. this should be under after school classes because its not during her class hours. what do you think? |
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Fishead soup
Joined: 24 Jun 2007
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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| It's Korean culture. Koreans are constantly told to do extra work for no extra money. When I first came here high school teachers didn't get home until eleven every evening. If you know a Kyopo ( Korean American) try to get that person to tactfully explain the contract to him. |
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D.D.
Joined: 29 May 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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I soon learned in Asia if you give them an inch they will take a mile. I get paid well for my extra time by standing up for myself. It doesn't make you popular but they respect your time. It comes down to people who work for free tend not to honour themselves.
It's sounds harsh but her first mistake was saying yes to the radio thing for free. They will keep testing her to see how easy she is to push around. I sometimes do things for free like help out with a competition, but those are things I choose to do. I refuse all of those control drama gigs that they dream up. |
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afsjesse
Joined: 23 Sep 2007
Location: Kickin' it in 'Kato town.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not sure what time your girlfriend has to be at work but for most of us it's 8:30. So doing an additional 20 minutes without extra pay is within the contract guidelines as long as she isn't working her full 22 teaching hours. If she is, then she should demand extra pay. As for the drama class and lunch thing I'd say kick them both to the curb or demand payment. As others have already explained, if you give an inch they'll take a mile.
Good Luck. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:13 pm Post subject: Re: issues with school |
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| bcoral99 wrote: |
Hi I just have a question for you guys in the public school system. My gf is in a public elementary school and she is having some trouble. of course her principle is a dick, so it makes it tougher.
basically, every thursday, she has been told or made to do a reading in front of the whole school for 10 or 20 minutes, of course no pay but she doesnt mind i guess although it is at 850 am before her classes so its a little tight. also, she is doing a drama class or helping out and of course the principle doesnt want to pay her, of course, but the principle is giving her extra vacation but the kicker is that the principle now wants her to practice with the kids during her lunch period for 20 minutes a day. so like at 1240 when her lunch starts at 1220. and they didnt even tell her how long they want her to do this which is typical.
i told her that she should either get pay or more vacation time or just say no if none of these conditions are met. she is not too sure. the co teacher just told her u have to because she has to do extra work but that is bull cause we are not korean teachers and we are not under the same contract. this should be under after school classes because its not during her class hours. what do you think? |
Those are all things that come with being a PS teacher. If you're GF doesn't like it, perhaps she should consider working for a different type of institution. Perhaps she could also spare some of her time to teach you how to write, provided that she learned a bit more doing her degree than you did. |
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afsjesse
Joined: 23 Sep 2007
Location: Kickin' it in 'Kato town.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:16 pm Post subject: Re: issues with school |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
| bcoral99 wrote: |
Hi I just have a question for you guys in the public school system. My gf is in a public elementary school and she is having some trouble. of course her principle is a dick, so it makes it tougher.
basically, every thursday, she has been told or made to do a reading in front of the whole school for 10 or 20 minutes, of course no pay but she doesnt mind i guess although it is at 850 am before her classes so its a little tight. also, she is doing a drama class or helping out and of course the principle doesnt want to pay her, of course, but the principle is giving her extra vacation but the kicker is that the principle now wants her to practice with the kids during her lunch period for 20 minutes a day. so like at 1240 when her lunch starts at 1220. and they didnt even tell her how long they want her to do this which is typical.
i told her that she should either get pay or more vacation time or just say no if none of these conditions are met. she is not too sure. the co teacher just told her u have to because she has to do extra work but that is bull cause we are not korean teachers and we are not under the same contract. this should be under after school classes because its not during her class hours. what do you think? |
Those are all things that come with being a PS teacher. If you're GF doesn't like it, perhaps she should consider working for a different type of institution. Perhaps she could also spare some of her time to teach you how to write, provided that she learned a bit more doing her degree than you did. |
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Goku
Joined: 10 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:26 pm Post subject: Re: issues with school |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
Those are all things that come with being a PS teacher. If you're GF doesn't like it, perhaps she should consider working for a different type of institution. Perhaps she could also spare some of her time to teach you how to write, provided that she learned a bit more doing her degree than you did. |
YBS is right.
Public schools typically have extra work that's required "outside" the contract. However, technically it's not outside the contract.
If she has a gepik, epik, or smoe contract there is article that should underline extra work hours. These are hours in excess of the school hours. Something like requring 22 actual teaching hours a week. This includes afterschool programs, summer and winter camps, and annoying jobs like this.
Also she can't really compare this workload to a Korean Teacher. Our jobs are almost dwarfed by the responsibilties of Korean teachers. Homerooms, reports, grading, etc.
It's not too bad. I've heard of some teachers on Dave's having to call students at the break of dawn to practice English speaking with their students for 3 minutes a day or something. |
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hamlet712
Joined: 16 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:32 pm Post subject: Re: issues with school |
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| bcoral99 wrote: |
Hi I just have a question for you guys in the public school system. My gf is in a public elementary school and she is having some trouble. of course her principle is a dick, so it makes it tougher.
basically, every thursday, she has been told or made to do a reading in front of the whole school for 10 or 20 minutes, of course no pay but she doesnt mind i guess although it is at 850 am before her classes so its a little tight. also, she is doing a drama class or helping out and of course the principle doesnt want to pay her, of course, but the principle is giving her extra vacation but the kicker is that the principle now wants her to practice with the kids during her lunch period for 20 minutes a day. so like at 1240 when her lunch starts at 1220. and they didnt even tell her how long they want her to do this which is typical.
i told her that she should either get pay or more vacation time or just say no if none of these conditions are met. she is not too sure. the co teacher just told her u have to because she has to do extra work but that is bull cause we are not korean teachers and we are not under the same contract. this should be under after school classes because its not during her class hours. what do you think? |
As another poster said
1) Is she teaching the full 22 hours as stated in the contract? If she isnt then she is NOT doing this stuf for free, she is doing it as part of her contract.
2) Does she have any classes scheduled after lunch period, and if so, on what days. If she has no classes after lunch then eating lunch for 20, going for 20 to do a reading thing, and then having the rest of the afternoon to do what she needs to do is not that much of an inconvenience.
3) This is a give and get culture. She needs to get the vacation agreement in writing, and if the principal wont do this then she needs to stand firm and say NO ( assuming that this is EXTRA work above and beyond the 22 hours) And if the guy trys to change teh agree ment later then she just pulls out the agreement ( but watch out for point 4 I am about to make if you pull this card too)
4) Does she have any plans of re signing another year with SMOE? if so, then she better just grin and bear it, as long as she not taking it up the tailpipe, otherwise she wont be welcome back with SMOE for another year.
5) As another poster said, it comes to us pampered and selfish foreigners needing to suck it up sometimes ( and occasionally I am one of the people I just described) We think we are too good to do a few extra things to assist our school, and we demand extra payment for everything. I volunteer 3 hours of my time a week to teach my co teachers english because the school actually scheduled me a full 22 hour class load ( imagine that eh) but seeing as though these teachers are there to make my life easier, i can take a couple hours out of my week to help them out.
BUt other things I refuse outright if it is more than a simple deal kind of thing.
When you compare the hours we ACTUALLY work with what we get paid ( since 22 hours is ACTUALLY only 15 hours of teaching a week) we are paid quite well ( with the housing we make around or over 50 000 an hour) |
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E_athlete
Joined: 09 Jun 2009
Location: Korea sparkling
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| Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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man, this is the kind of stuff that really worries me when I get there. Im only staying there for a year but I dont want to come off rude to my superiors yet at the same time I dont want to be tested over and over until I get mad and say hell no. This has actually happened to me at a job I had in Canada where I had a desk job and they made me do practically everything and I just took it because I really needed a reference letter. In the end I screwed up one task and they blamed me for everything even though the task was something I've never done before.
I hear a lot that it is key that you don't have any emotional outbursts. Just say no and point to your contract or "okay but only if....(add some stipulation)". It's important to let your employer know you are not comfortable doing things outside your usual tasks otherwise they will take everything you do for granted. I know this because it happened to me. |
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bcoral99
Joined: 26 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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No, really bum suck. You really fit the bill of the typical eurocentric idiot that comes here. Shut up and get a life. I am not writing a formal letter u idiot. ur name pretty much says it all. i'm pretty sure your the type that has no girlfriend and has never gotten laid so have fun in korea u idiot.
anyways for those who have given serious comments. she is actually working 23 hours a week. but the principal did not give her a choice on whether she gets overtime or vacation pay. the principal just told her that they will give her vacation instead. she is in gepik.
sure its not a big deal now cause she just started it but if she has to continue to do it for the next few months it adds up. she just wanted other peoples input. thanks for those who did. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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man, this is the kind of stuff that really worries me when I get there. Im only staying there for a year but I dont want to come off rude to my superiors yet at the same time I dont want to be tested over and over until I get mad and say hell no. This has actually happened to me at a job I had in Canada where I had a desk job and they made me do practically everything and I just took it because I really needed a reference letter. In the end I screwed up one task and they blamed me for everything even though the task was something I've never done before.
I hear a lot that it is key that you don't have any emotional outbursts. Just say no and point to your contract or "okay but only if....(add some stipulation)". It's important to let your employer know you are not comfortable doing things outside your usual tasks otherwise they will take everything you do for granted. I know this because it happened to me. |
It's not really that difficult over here. It's also very hard to 'screw up'. Just be friendly and helpful and always be open to help others with English while you're at work. How hard is that? |
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Leslie Cheswyck
Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: University of Western Chile
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| Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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Most of the Korean teachers are on the career track, so doing the little, unpaid extras, doing things "the Korean way" makes sense.
For us, not on that career track --- not many foreigners go on to be vice principal --- it's a waste of time. Korean schoolbosses overlook that. |
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halfmanhalfbiscuit
Joined: 13 Oct 2007
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Leslie Cheswyck wrote: |
Most of the Korean teachers are on the career track, so doing the little, unpaid extras, doing things "the Korean way" makes sense.
For us, not on that career track --- not many foreigners go on to be vice principal --- it's a waste of time. Korean schoolbosses overlook that. |
Very true.
What would annoy me further is the reading in front of school. Learning by osmosis is a bit outdated....
Lunch is sacred too. Tell the school to fit in the 20 mins drama better. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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No, really bum suck. You really fit the bill of the typical eurocentric idiot that comes here. Shut up and get a life. I am not writing a formal letter u idiot. ur name pretty much says it all. i'm pretty sure your the type that has no girlfriend and has never gotten laid so have fun in korea u idiot.
anyways for those who have given serious comments. she is actually working 23 hours a week. but the principal did not give her a choice on whether she gets overtime or vacation pay. the principal just told her that they will give her vacation instead. she is in gepik.
sure its not a big deal now cause she just started it but if she has to continue to do it for the next few months it adds up. she just wanted other peoples input. thanks for those who did. |
Eurocentric? Well, I guess that if you have to go fishing for ad hominem attacks given the complete invalidity of your argument that your GF shouldn't have to work while she's at work you could give that line a try. Your attitude certainly displays a lot of things that are wrong with many FTs' mentality and approach to the job. While we can debate endlessly what constitutes a 'qualified teacher', not knowing the difference between principle and principal is usually a good indication what side of the line one falls on. |
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bcoral99
Joined: 26 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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| yu suck bum, you are a riot. stop being pretentious and thinking like you know everything. obviously you don't. i like the fact that you did not defend that you are loser virgin. admitting that you are eh. haha. i'm done with you. you are not worth it anymore. the fact that all you can do is attack people online makes you an idiot and worthless. i feel sorry for your school. all i can say is get a life. i know you are not big enough to criticize people like this in real life. you don't have the balls to do so. so im done with you now ur not worth my time. |
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