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sundance89
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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 7:07 am Post subject: A very strange hagwon experience so far |
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I landed in Korea in late November (2012). I had a somewhat unpleasant start. The bus dropped me off somewhere downtown. It was bitter cold. The recruiter I met at the airport told me the director would pick me up at the bus station. The director was late about a half an hour. This other korean guy came with the director and they asked me questions non stop. They informed me the apartment was not ready and I had to stay in a hotel for a couple days. It ended up being three nights. I found out later from another foreigner that it was a sex hotel, although the vending machine of dildos on the third floor should have given that away immediately.
Three working days into my job (two days of training) I get hints of not being a good fit at the school.
"You play too many games". "You need to manage class time better" That part was actually true.
I develop an awkward working relationship with the other korean teacher. A guy who is the same age as me. But he seems like he has something to prove...Often he would go on more than one anti-foreigner rants.
"You Americans, don't you know how to save money. Don't people save money in America"? An awkward rant followed by a casual comment from the other foreign teacher about her fiances spending habits..
Other treasures include, "We have been having a lot of problems with foreigners lately".
What do you mean? I ask.
"Well, just a lot of crime and stuff has been happening, a lot of women getting pregnant and getting diseases. Murders to....I just don't think you will be a good fit here".
I was being told I was fired. I was two weeks into my job. Technically, it was my 10th actual working day. The previous week, this guy wrote up a laundry list of "improvements I needed to work on.
Some of these had changed from the first meeting. I need to be louder in class. Also, my classes now were not fun enough, I was scaring the kids (for being a male teaching kindergarten), someone complained I graded a journal wrong, I needed to be more physical (make goofy gestures) and make more jokes in class.
I was told nothing except contradictions. The criticism came daily, but getting fired was still a surprise. I also learned the guy who trained me also almost got fired as well. Now, I was in a sticky situation.
"The director said you have two weeks to find another job." Still, I have never spoken with the director except for the panicked minute I called him on his cell phone at the bus station when I arrived.
"Don't worry Stefan! We are coming. hold on".
For all intents and purposes, the director seemed like a nice guy. I don't think he was intentionally late. Other people did not have kind things to say.
"**** them, Mr. *** only drives the school bus around and picks up kids The secretary is also his mistress."
I was in an interesting position. My first weekend in Korea, I managed to meet a ton of foreigners. One of them had previously worked for the same school I was working at. The guy who trained me replaced this man. The Friday after I got fired which was two days earlier on Wednesday, I ran into him again at a local foreigner hang out. He was very interested in my position. He nearly leaped from the table after he asked my how I was doing.
"You got what? What did they tell you?
I wasn't funny enough. I made too many mistakes. They don't think I am a good fit at the school.
"That's bull shit".
Yeah it makes no sense, I said. I have only been here two weeks. Is that normal?
"I don't think they can do that...you are supposed to get a thirty day written notice"
It was comforting talking to this guy at least. Unfortunately, his thirty day notice never materialized. I could not find any definitive evidence in Korean law that they had to give me one. I even met someone else who knew way more about Korean law than me, but it never worked out.....
"Mr. *** has agreed that you can work two weeks and get paid for the month"
I guess thats better than having no time at all. I hit the job boards like a mad man and finding all kinds of information you would never want to find. Korea is the worst place to get fired.
The school owns your soul. Switching jobs is nearly impossible without a release letter to transfer the visa to a different school. I continue plugging along. The first few days at work after getting fired are incredibly awkward. Everyone in the office is acting really nice. Even more so than when I first arrived.
They must know I'm getting canned I thought. Even the korean teacher who was giving me problems was starting to act nicer to me. By now, I have had my patience tested with this guy. He called me lazy. He inferred that I was dumb and tried to convince me to go back home. I was still frustrated all my communication with the director had to go through this guy.
In a weird way, getting treated more nice than before felt good even it was fake. I still don't know.
Things kind of become like a weird haze for awhile. I'm having trouble accepting that I might have to go home. Things at work seem normal except for my situation. The kids are being more active in class. My mood changes from anger to confusion. I still cannot figure out why the school and I did not work out.
Eventually, week one post firing is nearing and end with no job offers. This time I have a meeting with the korean teacher and the recruiter. It seems really serious. They offer me an extra week to stay in korea to find a job and inform what they have been telling the recruiters and other schools all along. Up until this point, other hagwons and recruiters have been calling all week. The director has been telling them that I had a problem with my original recruiter. That the recruiter mislead me about the job which is why I am leaving the school. It explains why I have not been getting interviews. I had been telling the surface truth. I got fired because I'm not a good fit at the school.
I'm pissed yet relieved to know what exactly is going on. They told me I have to go back and tell the recruiters what happened.
"If they ask why the story has changed, just tell them what we told you. That you were mislead by the recruiter".
The director even gave me his cell phone number. In a weird twist, they are actually helping me. Saving face is important though. I guess they did not want to explain to the other schools why I am being fired so quickly. They don't really have a reason other than I did not fit their visions of what they wanted.
The next week, the director takes me to the immigration office to get my ARC. The korean teacher was supposed to come with to translate, but he was not there. This time the 24 year old korean girl who I share desks with comes instead. I was not thrilled about wasting the whole morning going to immigration. Its in a different town. However, the director drove us and I have no idea where it is so I consider myself lucky. The director was bragging about how he told a recruiter he had to fire me because the school was running out of money....
Immigration was awful. There was virtually no people, but it took forever. I'm throwing hail marrys that this korean girl came instead of the other guy. I would have been stuck for two hours sitting with someone I can't stand. Instead, this other korean teacher was way more fun to be around.
We leave immigration a lot later than planned. At this point, its way past lunch and we won't make it in time for class. The director won't let us stop for food. I wince as we fly by a McDonalds drive through. It's hard to believe Christmas was the previous day.
Despite being terribly hungry, my mood is high. I miss one of my classes and I have three different job offers waiting in my inbox. It was nice to have a choice again.
I'm actually having some fun at work. I'm not sure if the kids were better or its the fact that I don't have to be at this school for much longer. The director became fully cooperative in my efforts to get into a new school. I then notice that the Korean teacher I hated had not been into work for a week straight. I heard he got drunk on Christmas and was too hungover to come with us to the immigration office. Then I heard he had some kind of legal troubles...
By now its common knowledge that I am leaving. I'm actually excited for the first time. Co workers are swapping rumors about who my replacement is. Apparently, the school is having some problems finding someone. When the school tried to call their candidate back, his parents told the school he left for vacation.
Another candidate sent a group photo with his resume and did not specify which guy he was out of the 10 guys in the picture. I can't help but feel a little happy that the school is having so many problems. It must be why the director asked me to stay another month or so. Forget it. |
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EZE
Joined: 05 May 2012
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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 7:59 am Post subject: |
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That was a very entertaining read! I'm curious about the your co-worker's legal troubles now. |
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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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Congratulations on your new job, I'd be excited too if I was leaving that snake pit. It sounds like things can only get better from here. |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 8:19 pm Post subject: Re: A very strange hagwon experience so far |
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sundance89 wrote: |
I develop an awkward working relationship with the other korean teacher. A guy who is the same age as me. But he seems like he has something to prove...
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Better get used to that here. It's really common.
Especially if he's the same age. If he's not older or younger, he's usually got to find a way to one-up you somehow in the perceived pecking order. It's more for his comfort than yours. Whether that's salary, job, clothing, height, whatever. Watch for this, it's quite funny.
We all do it to some degree, but it's really pronounced here, like going back to grade school or something.
As for them criticizing your teaching skills, no matter what you did at that point, it was likely just them saying you aren't the person they wanted.
The actual details don't matter much and they'll change them day to day. You could improve on all said points and they'll reverse them or make up new ones. They could have trained you more or given you more information or time to improve, but it wasn't really about the teaching; sounds like they were against you from day one, probably based on a snap judgement or random comment or rumor one of them started. Just poor management; be glad you moved on and put the bad times behind you! |
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earthquakez
Joined: 10 Nov 2010
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Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:51 pm Post subject: Re: A very strange hagwon experience so far |
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sundance89 wrote: |
I landed in Korea in late November (2012). I had a somewhat unpleasant start. The bus dropped me off somewhere downtown. It was bitter cold. The recruiter I met at the airport told me the director would pick me up at the bus station. The director was late about a half an hour. This other korean guy came with the director and they asked me questions non stop. They informed me the apartment was not ready and I had to stay in a hotel for a couple days. It ended up being three nights. I found out later from another foreigner that it was a sex hotel, although the vending machine of dildos on the third floor should have given that away immediately.
Three working days into my job (two days of training) I get hints of not being a good fit at the school.
"You play too many games". "You need to manage class time better" That part was actually true.
I develop an awkward working relationship with the other korean teacher. A guy who is the same age as me. But he seems like he has something to prove...Often he would go on more than one anti-foreigner rants.
"You Americans, don't you know how to save money. Don't people save money in America"? An awkward rant followed by a casual comment from the other foreign teacher about her fiances spending habits..
Other treasures include, "We have been having a lot of problems with foreigners lately".
What do you mean? I ask.
"Well, just a lot of crime and stuff has been happening, a lot of women getting pregnant and getting diseases. Murders to....I just don't think you will be a good fit here".
I was being told I was fired. I was two weeks into my job. Technically, it was my 10th actual working day. The previous week, this guy wrote up a laundry list of "improvements I needed to work on.
Some of these had changed from the first meeting. I need to be louder in class. Also, my classes now were not fun enough, I was scaring the kids (for being a male teaching kindergarten), someone complained I graded a journal wrong, I needed to be more physical (make goofy gestures) and make more jokes in class.
I was told nothing except contradictions. The criticism came daily, but getting fired was still a surprise. I also learned the guy who trained me also almost got fired as well. Now, I was in a sticky situation.
"The director said you have two weeks to find another job." Still, I have never spoken with the director except for the panicked minute I called him on his cell phone at the bus station when I arrived.
"Don't worry Stefan! We are coming. hold on".
For all intents and purposes, the director seemed like a nice guy. I don't think he was intentionally late. Other people did not have kind things to say.
"**** them, Mr. *** only drives the school bus around and picks up kids The secretary is also his mistress."
I was in an interesting position. My first weekend in Korea, I managed to meet a ton of foreigners. One of them had previously worked for the same school I was working at. The guy who trained me replaced this man. The Friday after I got fired which was two days earlier on Wednesday, I ran into him again at a local foreigner hang out. He was very interested in my position. He nearly leaped from the table after he asked my how I was doing.
"You got what? What did they tell you?
I wasn't funny enough. I made too many mistakes. They don't think I am a good fit at the school.
"That's bull shit".
Yeah it makes no sense, I said. I have only been here two weeks. Is that normal?
"I don't think they can do that...you are supposed to get a thirty day written notice"
It was comforting talking to this guy at least. Unfortunately, his thirty day notice never materialized. I could not find any definitive evidence in Korean law that they had to give me one. I even met someone else who knew way more about Korean law than me, but it never worked out.....
"Mr. *** has agreed that you can work two weeks and get paid for the month"
I guess thats better than having no time at all. I hit the job boards like a mad man and finding all kinds of information you would never want to find. Korea is the worst place to get fired.
The school owns your soul. Switching jobs is nearly impossible without a release letter to transfer the visa to a different school. I continue plugging along. The first few days at work after getting fired are incredibly awkward. Everyone in the office is acting really nice. Even more so than when I first arrived.
They must know I'm getting canned I thought. Even the korean teacher who was giving me problems was starting to act nicer to me. By now, I have had my patience tested with this guy. He called me lazy. He inferred that I was dumb and tried to convince me to go back home. I was still frustrated all my communication with the director had to go through this guy.
In a weird way, getting treated more nice than before felt good even it was fake. I still don't know.
Things kind of become like a weird haze for awhile. I'm having trouble accepting that I might have to go home. Things at work seem normal except for my situation. The kids are being more active in class. My mood changes from anger to confusion. I still cannot figure out why the school and I did not work out.
Eventually, week one post firing is nearing and end with no job offers. This time I have a meeting with the korean teacher and the recruiter. It seems really serious. They offer me an extra week to stay in korea to find a job and inform what they have been telling the recruiters and other schools all along. Up until this point, other hagwons and recruiters have been calling all week. The director has been telling them that I had a problem with my original recruiter. That the recruiter mislead me about the job which is why I am leaving the school. It explains why I have not been getting interviews. I had been telling the surface truth. I got fired because I'm not a good fit at the school.
I'm pissed yet relieved to know what exactly is going on. They told me I have to go back and tell the recruiters what happened.
"If they ask why the story has changed, just tell them what we told you. That you were mislead by the recruiter".
The director even gave me his cell phone number. In a weird twist, they are actually helping me. Saving face is important though. I guess they did not want to explain to the other schools why I am being fired so quickly. They don't really have a reason other than I did not fit their visions of what they wanted.
The next week, the director takes me to the immigration office to get my ARC. The korean teacher was supposed to come with to translate, but he was not there. This time the 24 year old korean girl who I share desks with comes instead. I was not thrilled about wasting the whole morning going to immigration. Its in a different town. However, the director drove us and I have no idea where it is so I consider myself lucky. The director was bragging about how he told a recruiter he had to fire me because the school was running out of money....
Immigration was awful. There was virtually no people, but it took forever. I'm throwing hail marrys that this korean girl came instead of the other guy. I would have been stuck for two hours sitting with someone I can't stand. Instead, this other korean teacher was way more fun to be around.
We leave immigration a lot later than planned. At this point, its way past lunch and we won't make it in time for class. The director won't let us stop for food. I wince as we fly by a McDonalds drive through. It's hard to believe Christmas was the previous day.
Despite being terribly hungry, my mood is high. I miss one of my classes and I have three different job offers waiting in my inbox. It was nice to have a choice again.
I'm actually having some fun at work. I'm not sure if the kids were better or its the fact that I don't have to be at this school for much longer. The director became fully cooperative in my efforts to get into a new school. I then notice that the Korean teacher I hated had not been into work for a week straight. I heard he got drunk on Christmas and was too hungover to come with us to the immigration office. Then I heard he had some kind of legal troubles...
By now its common knowledge that I am leaving. I'm actually excited for the first time. Co workers are swapping rumors about who my replacement is. Apparently, the school is having some problems finding someone. When the school tried to call their candidate back, his parents told the school he left for vacation.
Another candidate sent a group photo with his resume and did not specify which guy he was out of the 10 guys in the picture. I can't help but feel a little happy that the school is having so many problems. It must be why the director asked me to stay another month or so. Forget it. |
Sad to say your experiences aint so unusual at a hagwon. They're the ultimate lottery in Korea, if you'd posted before you came we could have given you a lot of good advice.
Sorry to hear about the co-workers - it sucks when you want to be genuine and friendly with Korean co-workers but run up against their heirarchical games and unspoken rules. I've heard many heard cautionary tales from other foreigners including a woman who helped a younger Korean co-worker with money (not a loan, gave it out of the kindness of her heart) and just about every aspect of her life because the Korean co-worker didn't have a great family set up.
The result? When the Korean co-worker became more friendly with the older Korean teachers, she complained about the foreigner who helped her and supported her when nobody else did. Then moved on to only being friends with and socialising with the K teachers.
She played the heirarchy games - and despite being older than her, the foreign woman simply did not get respect as a friend because well, she was a foreigner. The Koreans were and are more important to each other. I never made the first move for friendships with Korean co-workers in my past jobs because yes, you are likely to get burned when they inevitably play their 'The foreigner is the outsider' games.
Something to keep in mind for your next job. As for the hagwon, let us know the name and where it is. That's useful for everybody esp newbies. If you don't want to say the full name, just give hints and tell us where it's located.
Better luck next time, man, sorry to hear it tho it's a fairly common thing at a hagwon to go through this kind of unnecessary stress. |
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dairyairy
Joined: 17 May 2012 Location: South Korea
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Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 3:08 am Post subject: |
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It sounds like hagwon life. Anything bad that happens is automatically your fault and anything good that happens couldn't be because of your work. |
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tanklor1
Joined: 13 Jun 2006
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Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 4:40 am Post subject: |
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It's never good to walk into a job and be frowned upon. It just spoils the entire experience. Use this to live and learn and best luck with the next school; if you choose to stay as a teacher. |
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joelove
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 2:12 am Post subject: |
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Sounds like you're better off not being stuck there for a year. |
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