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byrddogs

Joined: 19 Jun 2009 Location: Shanghai
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Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 12:10 am Post subject: Keeping things professional, clean... |
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I just read this mod post and for crying out loud Dave's posters; let's do it. It is very admirable to do so. |
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Kurtz
Joined: 05 Jan 2007 Location: ples bilong me
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Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 12:25 am Post subject: |
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I think it's a great idea too, but when I see threads entitled "farting" and "OMG I loove Korea" I doubt it will ever happen. |
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Cohiba

Joined: 01 Feb 2005
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Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 12:49 am Post subject: |
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I think you should keep it professional when you are engaged in an
actual profession. "Professional" teachers have professional teaching
certificates. If you don't have one, you are NOT a professional. So you
better start practice your farting, because that is what your opinion adds
up to. |
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byrddogs

Joined: 19 Jun 2009 Location: Shanghai
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Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 12:56 am Post subject: |
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I just farted and I am a certified teacher, lol. Phoneboothface stop sending me pms about this topic for crying out loud. |
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Joe666
Joined: 19 Nov 2008 Location: Jesus it's hot down here!
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Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 1:17 am Post subject: |
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Some of Dave's posters need to lighten up a bit. There's a big difference between a professional setting and 'locker room talk', be it the mens or womens locker room. We all engage in conversation that is considered "non-professional" when we are in a "non-professional" setting. I agree that MAYBE certain words or phrases should not be used, but we all need to understand that sarcasm and venting are part of Dave's ESL.
Have some fun, enjoy the sarcasm, join in the sarcasm. I can't believe some people are so rigid in blue blood "stuck up" correctness that they can't see the beauty in some of Dave's threads. Relax, your time on this rock is limited.
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think you should keep it professional when you are engaged in an
actual profession. "Professional" teachers have professional teaching
certificates. If you don't have one, you are NOT a professional. So you
better start practice your farting, because that is what your opinion adds
up to. |
If this is sarcasm, nice work. If it's not, what planet are you going to visit next? |
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Joe666
Joined: 19 Nov 2008 Location: Jesus it's hot down here!
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Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 1:27 am Post subject: |
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Look at the therapy thread, it's growing expedentially by the minute. It must be those "blue blooded mud sticks" that finally popped and now look where their headed. Thank you Dave for saving me trips to the cash couch. |
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Straphanger
Joined: 09 Oct 2008 Location: Chilgok, Korea
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Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 2:19 am Post subject: |
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Cohiba wrote: |
I think you should keep it professional when you are engaged in an actual profession. "Professional" teachers have professional teaching certificates. If you don't have one, you are NOT a professional. So you better start practice your farting, because that is what your opinion adds
up to. |
THANK YOU. |
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VanIslander

Joined: 18 Aug 2003 Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 3:28 am Post subject: |
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professional? clean?
sounds like a soapy thai massage
i for one am not working when i express myself at dave's nor do i worry about whether i feel like saying *beep* or *beep* because dave sperling put in a swear filter that works just fine as long as one doesn't try and dodge it (filter dodging is a violation of the terms of service)
so *beep* it  |
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tiger fancini

Joined: 21 Mar 2006 Location: Testicles for Eyes
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Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 3:32 am Post subject: |
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I wish they'd fix the site and make it run fast all the time. That would be quite professional. |
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Kurtz
Joined: 05 Jan 2007 Location: ples bilong me
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Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 3:36 am Post subject: |
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Did porn star man write this little ditty? Seems like even professional teachers might as well start up a farting thread, or maybe even how much their latest turd stank as teaching actually isn't a proper profession.
From Marmot's hole.......
"It�s not. And I say that with all due respect, but the word �profession� is misapplied to teachers.
Accountants, lawyers, pilots, nurses, actuaries and engineers are professionals. They must learn a body of knowledge that defines what their job is. You cannot be an accountant without learning the accounting system, you cannot be an engineer without learning the physics and design of structures. Testing people on their knowledge and application of knowledge in these fields is sufficient to determine that they are qualified for their jobs and deserving of the title �professional�.
This isn�t so for teachers. Anyone can do it, and except in extreme cases, there is no objective way of determining who is a good and who is a bad teacher. Some schools or school systems may insist that they only hire people with a BEd or a MEd (or even a Masters in TESOL), but that doesn�t make teaching a profession, it just means that those schools have make their own selection criteria for their employees.
This is a bit silly, but let me put it this way: What if I walked into an airline office and said �I want to be a pilot. Put me in the cockpit right now.� What if I walked into KPMG and said �Show me a spreadsheet and I�ll take a stab at closing last year�s accounts for a blue-chip company.� (Korean inside joke � What if I said to a construction company �Put me in charge of building that department store�).
With teaching, there is no objective way that anyone with a 4 year BEd and 20 years of classroom experience can claim that they are any better or any more qualified to do their job than any schmuk who walks in off the street and wants to give it a try." |
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djsmnc

Joined: 20 Jan 2003 Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 3:39 am Post subject: |
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I scrub all my nether regions every morning before going to work in Korea and boy does it pay off! |
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VanIslander

Joined: 18 Aug 2003 Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 3:47 am Post subject: |
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Kurtz wrote: |
Accountants, lawyers, pilots, nurses, actuaries and engineers are professionals. They must learn a body of knowledge that defines what their job is. You cannot be an accountant without learning the accounting system, you cannot be an engineer without learning the physics and design of structures. Testing people on their knowledge and application of knowledge in these fields is sufficient to determine that they are qualified for their jobs and deserving of the title �professional�.
This isn�t so for teachers. Anyone can do it, and except in extreme cases, there is no objective way of determining who is a good and who is a bad teacher. |
you gotta be kidding
one can tell a good teacher from a bad teacher by looking at what the students have learned over time
and it is a body of knowledge AND SKILL SET, the ability to do it, that defines the profession, like a professional athlete, a professional journalist and a professional pilot
those who try to argue that teaching is not a profession must be lacking in terms of their education or ability
don't use Korea as any kind of model of ESL teaching, because this country requires neither education nor experience nor really ability, and is a nation of esl illiterates despite throwing money at the problem
bad teaching isn't even really teaching, call it hangman playing, handout overseeing, grammar nitpicking, conversation chatting, etc |
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Kurtz
Joined: 05 Jan 2007 Location: ples bilong me
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Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 4:18 am Post subject: |
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Actually, I was kidding.
I was quoting someone off Marmots Hole, so please don't quote me on saying that little piece (note quotation marks). The comments don't necessarily represent my view of teaching, but I thought it was appropriate to use to sarcastically point out that as none of us are "real" teachers as teaching has no credibility as pointed out by someone in the comments section of the aforementioned website, people can write whatever the hell they want on Dave's, no matter how inane, and with the wit and class of your average You Tube comment. |
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VanIslander

Joined: 18 Aug 2003 Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 4:30 am Post subject: |
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ah, i see
i thought Marmot's hole was your blog like some other posters plug theirs: i haven't ready any of them (or, i used to read a few but found none of them worth continuing to follow)
sarcasm is rare in this country, so can go over one's head if one isn't attentive |
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Kurtz
Joined: 05 Jan 2007 Location: ples bilong me
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Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 4:38 am Post subject: |
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^
It's written by some lawyer. Seems our little world here in Dave's is up for ridicule by the "smart" people on Marmot's hole, but I think some guys here don't do themselves any good by mouthing off other people (no names mentioned) with more hand so to speak.
If you read the blog and then check out wylies99's attack on two people you'll know what I mean. |
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