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s_lebeau



Joined: 15 Feb 2008
Location: the frozen tundra

PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 11:07 am    Post subject: Teacher with B.Ed... just show up? Reply with quote

I realize I'm not doing this in the smartest way, but... I resigned from a teaching contract in rural Canada so I could move back to Asia. The job I thought I'd have in Gangnam fell through, so here I am now without a job in June. With a B.Ed from Canada, 1 year of experience in Canada and 2 years of experience teaching ESL in Korea, how are my odds for finding a decent job if I just show up in Seoul or Busan in August? I do not want to work at a hagwon, if possible, unless it has something special to offer (like good holidays, great pay, big key deposit, etc). Would it be worth a shot, do you think, or just plain silly?

Thanks in advance!
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E_athlete



Joined: 09 Jun 2009
Location: Korea sparkling

PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 11:43 am    Post subject: Re: Teacher with B.Ed... just show up? Reply with quote

s_lebeau wrote:
I realize I'm not doing this in the smartest way, but... I resigned from a teaching contract in rural Canada so I could move back to Asia. The job I thought I'd have in Gangnam fell through, so here I am now without a job in June. With a B.Ed from Canada, 1 year of experience in Canada and 2 years of experience teaching ESL in Korea, how are my odds for finding a decent job if I just show up in Seoul or Busan in August? I do not want to work at a hagwon, if possible, unless it has something special to offer (like good holidays, great pay, big key deposit, etc). Would it be worth a shot, do you think, or just plain silly?

Thanks in advance!



Okay the reality is that right now, there are more people coming to Korea than....ever because of the recession. Having said that, with your credentials a recruiter will have no problem finding a job for you anywhere. You will most likely be able to pick and choose public schools in Big cities like Seoul because of your B.Ed. I can recommend you a recruiter that can find you a job within 2 weeks or less. Or just shop around with recruiters, there are tons and with your credentials it should be a snap.

I still think though, it would be in your best interest to stay put where you are until your recruiter confirms a position for you. You dont wanna be spending a fortune on lodging and food while job hunting in a foreign land. Remember, you have a B.Ed. and you can teach almost anywhere you want. I'd recommend public school or universities. Universities pay more and you'll be able to get a credit card if you work at one.
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Mr. Pink



Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China

PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am a little curious if your Canadian job was full time. If so, why did you quit? I just got a B.Ed and it is very hard to get a full time contract fresh with B.Ed in hand unless you know a principal or higher up admin in a school board. Hell even with 10yrs ESL experience and ESL-1 AQ in hand I can't seem to get far with ESL positions in public schools.

I have been looking at the International School scene in Korea, but most are finished their hiring. What are your teachables? I think Korea International School is looking for high school math.

If you check out some of the other job boards there are always tons of recruiters looking to place ppl in public schools. Also, Dave's has had a few good jobs posted in the past month I've been looking. If I was you and you can afford it, just wait it out.
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D.D.



Joined: 29 May 2008

PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just don't show up in Korea as you might need to do your visa back in Canada. I can't think of a country that pays certified teachers less than Korea. So many international schools to work for in other countries that are really international schools and not just using the name. Try HK net scheme or international schools in China. Taiwan will take certified teachers in their public schools. Korea is the last place I would come with my teaching degree.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 3:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Teacher with B.Ed... just show up? Reply with quote

s_lebeau wrote:
I realize I'm not doing this in the smartest way, but... I resigned from a teaching contract in rural Canada so I could move back to Asia. The job I thought I'd have in Gangnam fell through, so here I am now without a job in June. With a B.Ed from Canada, 1 year of experience in Canada and 2 years of experience teaching ESL in Korea, how are my odds for finding a decent job if I just show up in Seoul or Busan in August? I do not want to work at a hagwon, if possible, unless it has something special to offer (like good holidays, great pay, big key deposit, etc). Would it be worth a shot, do you think, or just plain silly?

Thanks in advance!


Your BEd will you put you one notch above a BA and one below an MA in any field. If you're working in the private sector, being female / North American / white / young / blond could also move you up or down a few points on the hiring scale. Basically you'll be in about the same position as when you left Korea two years ago.
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halfmanhalfbiscuit



Joined: 13 Oct 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking at the Hong Kong forum things don't seem to be all peachy on the HK Net programme-though the main complaints seem to be being tethered to the school and sitting through meetings in Mandarin. A friend taught at a Catholic school in Kowloon and one bonus was taking a school group to San Fransisco.

The bonus all up of teaching with a B.Ed , Teaching Diploma et al is.......an extra W100.000 per month??

My wife worked as a recruiter in Bundang and I recall her trying to place a certified Canadian teacher in a hagwon at a salary of 2.8M, which was turned down as the teacher would have to wear pants, rather than jeans. Go figure.

I have seen some schools advertise jobs at higher than usual salaries. For example, Bundang High School were advertising in 2007 at 3.0M but I don't know how that salary was worked out-it may have been unattainable.
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Mr. Pink



Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China

PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

D.D. wrote:
Just don't show up in Korea as you might need to do your visa back in Canada. I can't think of a country that pays certified teachers less than Korea. So many international schools to work for in other countries that are really international schools and not just using the name. Try HK net scheme or international schools in China. Taiwan will take certified teachers in their public schools. Korea is the last place I would come with my teaching degree.


Do you have a teaching degree?

Your points reek of ignorance. How about your try doing some research before making blanket statements.

As someone with a B.Ed and who has been researching International Schools, I can say that there are 4 or 5 International Schools in Korea that pay very well. Consider that these schools start at 40k US TAX FREE (they pay your taxes) and give you housing, relocation, moving expenses and pay for the airfare of you and your family....they are imo in the top 5 countries to teach in the world if you only desire money.

The international schools that pay more than 40k usually don't pay the taxes for you (Europe). One MUST account for taxes+cost of living when considering what places are "great" and not so great.

Europe has to be one of the worst places in terms of saving money. They have some excellent schools, but most of Europe has 40%+ income tax, and the schools don't pay that.

Hong Kong NET is pretty good money until you look at what it costs for housing and there is income tax in hong kong now. I would rate a top Korean IS over NET any day of the week. The top 2 HK International Schools are probably equal to the top Korean ones in terms of pay+benefits.

The absolute best country for bringing in the coin is Saudi. The country is so strict and repressed they have to pay the big bucks to attract foreign talent. After that, Dubai is the second best.

If you aren't intent on going to Korea, you might want to look into going to Brunei. Check the international forums here at Dave's and look at General Asia forums. LOTS of info there.

Back to my reply: The reason B.Ed holders get hosed is they are young, can't get a job in their home country and typically only plan to hit Korea for some adventure...so they get their 100k more to teach at SMOE. They don't understand the value of their worth, and when you are 23/24 with student loans to pay off, getting ANY job teaching is a lot better than a mc job in one's home country.

Anyways, if you are interested in International Schools, check out search-associates. Once you are a member, you can see what all the schools pay and give for benefits. It opened my eyes big time.
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D.D.



Joined: 29 May 2008

PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 2:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr. Pink wrote:
D.D. wrote:
Just don't show up in Korea as you might need to do your visa back in Canada. I can't think of a country that pays certified teachers less than Korea. So many international schools to work for in other countries that are really international schools and not just using the name. Try HK net scheme or international schools in China. Taiwan will take certified teachers in their public schools. Korea is the last place I would come with my teaching degree.


Do you have a teaching degree?

Your points reek of ignorance. How about your try doing some research before making blanket statements.

As someone with a B.Ed and who has been researching International Schools, I can say that there are 4 or 5 International Schools in Korea that pay very well. Consider that these schools start at 40k US TAX FREE (they pay your taxes) and give you housing, relocation, moving expenses and pay for the airfare of you and your family....they are imo in the top 5 countries to teach in the world if you only desire money.

The international schools that pay more than 40k usually don't pay the taxes for you (Europe). One MUST account for taxes+cost of living when considering what places are "great" and not so great.

Europe has to be one of the worst places in terms of saving money. They have some excellent schools, but most of Europe has 40%+ income tax, and the schools don't pay that.

Hong Kong NET is pretty good money until you look at what it costs for housing and there is income tax in hong kong now. I would rate a top Korean IS over NET any day of the week. The top 2 HK International Schools are probably equal to the top Korean ones in terms of pay+benefits.

The absolute best country for bringing in the coin is Saudi. The country is so strict and repressed they have to pay the big bucks to attract foreign talent. After that, Dubai is the second best.

If you aren't intent on going to Korea, you might want to look into going to Brunei. Check the international forums here at Dave's and look at General Asia forums. LOTS of info there.

Back to my reply: The reason B.Ed holders get hosed is they are young, can't get a job in their home country and typically only plan to hit Korea for some adventure...so they get their 100k more to teach at SMOE. They don't understand the value of their worth, and when you are 23/24 with student loans to pay off, getting ANY job teaching is a lot better than a mc job in one's home country.

Anyways, if you are interested in International Schools, check out search-associates. Once you are a member, you can see what all the schools pay and give for benefits. It opened my eyes big time.


You say my comments reek of ignorance, then you go off on a tangent about Europe and the middle east. My comments were correct other than your prescious five schools in Korea ( I wonder how many teachers they hire each year) Did I say anything about Europe? Looks like Mr. Light wrist is having trouble finding work and is all in a huff. Next time I will write a 10 page essay and will not make any general comments as ignorant politically correct people have trouble with those type of comments. Fact is Korea is full of certified teachers making less than 3 mil a month and they outnumber your 40 grand club.
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lionel



Joined: 07 Jan 2009

PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 2:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never just show up anywhere. Research until your brain hurts then go.
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s_lebeau



Joined: 15 Feb 2008
Location: the frozen tundra

PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 5:15 am    Post subject: Re: Teacher with B.Ed... just show up? Reply with quote

>>I can recommend you a recruiter that can find you a job within 2 weeks or less.

Please do!
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s_lebeau



Joined: 15 Feb 2008
Location: the frozen tundra

PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 5:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for your response. My job in Canada was full-time continuing, but I elected not to stay for several reasons. First of all, the school I worked at was in a very little town 45 minutes from a drugstore or reasonably priced groceries. Secondly, I was working 60 hours a week, which nearly killed me. Also, because I earned my B.Ed in Ontario but was hired in BC, I am expected to take 7 or 8 more full-time courses over the next 5 years if I want to remain a teacher in BC. Lastly, where I live is ridiculously expensive, and after both mine and my wife's student loan payments, we are actually living at a lower standard than we were before I became a teacher.

Are you in Ontario? If you want to teach in Canada, I would certainly go rural, or move to Saskatoon or Calgary, as the teaching markets there seem to be doing ok. My teachables for high school are Fine Art and English. I was in contact with a couple International Schools, but kind of missed the deadline on sealing a deal...

Good luck to you.

Mr. Pink wrote:
I am a little curious if your Canadian job was full time. If so, why did you quit? I just got a B.Ed and it is very hard to get a full time contract fresh with B.Ed in hand unless you know a principal or higher up admin in a school board. Hell even with 10yrs ESL experience and ESL-1 AQ in hand I can't seem to get far with ESL positions in public schools.

I have been looking at the International School scene in Korea, but most are finished their hiring. What are your teachables? I think Korea International School is looking for high school math.

If you check out some of the other job boards there are always tons of recruiters looking to place ppl in public schools. Also, Dave's has had a few good jobs posted in the past month I've been looking. If I was you and you can afford it, just wait it out.
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princess



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: soul of Asia

PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sure! Why NOT just show up? I have before, and will again. It's better than sitting on your bum abroad waiting for a job...unless you are flat broke and have to wait from abroad. Even in a recession, I still don't think everyone is coming to Korea. Many people are too scared to leave their backyards. Also, even in the recession, there are those who will still turn down good jobs because they can't wear jeans... Rolling Eyes or because they feel entitled to make $100,000 a year.
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PRagic



Joined: 24 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know, Mr. Pink. A good friend of mine teaching in Hong Kong makes over USD$ 80K a year. 40K for an international school in Korea? Not great.
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Scott in Incheon



Joined: 30 Aug 2004

PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to agree with PRagic...I knew people who saved 50K a year (Can$) on the NET program.

edit...of course the exchange rate was better when I was there...
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halfmanhalfbiscuit



Joined: 13 Oct 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'd probably have to go the MEast to make that now. Don't know how you'd drink...local version of JJMahoneys I guess Sad
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