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tanase
Joined: 11 Nov 2009 Location: Saigon
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 2:00 am Post subject: Studying Abroad in Korea |
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Hey everyone. I'm a college student from the States currently working on becoming a teacher. I've been hanging around on Dave's ever since I first became interested in teaching abroad, which was a few months ago, but I haven't had reason to post until now.
One of my college friends is Korean American (he was born in Korea but has lived in the US since he was young). Recently he had the idea of studying abroad in Korea, an attempt to get back to his roots, I guess. Apparently his grandmother owns a house in Seoul and is willing to provide him and a friend with free housing. I told him I'd be interested in going with him, as he'd expressed some concern about going alone.
At that point I knew basically nothing of Korea. I'd heard all the batty stories about North Korea, of course, and knew a little of the history behind the split, but absolutely nothing of South Korean culture. So I decided to do a little research on Dave's. The information I've gathered here has been interesting, to say the least.
I've been living in Vietnam for the past three months as part of a student teaching program, so I feel fairly confident in my ability to deal with culture shock. My main concern is whether or not the culture is worth the shock. If this barrier between Koreans and foriengers is so strong that it prevents me from making good Korean friends during my stay, I'm not sure I want to go. If the girls are going to stay away from me because they don't want to be called something the filter won't let me say in the street, well . . . I'm a straight male college student. I rather like girls. I'd like to talk to some.
I'm also a little concerned about the quality of education. I'd like it if my tuition money did not go to waste. I think I'd probably be going to Yonsei University in Seoul, but it's pretty flexible at this point. Does Yonsei have a respectable English literature program? If not, do you know of a school (preferably in Seoul) that does?
Sorry for all the text. Here are my questions, condensed:
1. Do you think I'll experience less xenophobia in a college environment?
2. Will I be able to make Korean friends? (I have been able to make friends in the past, so I seem to have at least rudimentary social skills)
3. Is it possible to receive a decent education in Seoul?
4. Although free housing will reduce expenses considerably, I've heard living in Seoul can still be quite expensive. Do you think, in general, this sort of trip is worth that extra expense?
I appreciate input from anyone who's familiar with the culture in general, or specifically with the college environment. Thanks guys. |
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UknowsI

Joined: 16 Apr 2009
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 2:31 am Post subject: |
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1. I'm a uni student in Korea, and I have noticed zero xenophobia on campus (but I have been harassed outside of campus). There might be slightly more gossiping about foreigners, but that's just because we're different, not because of our race.
2. It's easier to make foreign friends than to make male Korean friends, but it's definitely possible. You'll make friends for sure, but maybe you wont be as close as your best friend back home.
3. Depends on your field of study. If you want to study English literature, I very much doubt Korea is the best place to do it...
4. I think an education in Korea can be cheaper than an education in the US. (I don't know how much an US education cost, but you can get tuition wavered and scholarships here, but maybe not for all programs) |
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andrewchon

Joined: 16 Nov 2008 Location: Back in Oz. Living in ISIS Aust.
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 2:33 am Post subject: |
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1. Yes
2. Yes
3. No Comment on that. I am highly flammable.
4. Korean products are cheap. Imports are not. |
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tanase
Joined: 11 Nov 2009 Location: Saigon
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 2:56 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the feedback. You guys have me excited about Korea again.
I'm very much aware that South Korea is probably not the best place to study English Literature. Like I said, the idea to go was my friend's; had I chosen the destination, I probably would've tried to pick somewhere that suited my major a little more. Still, I think it'll be a good experience regardless of how much I learn. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't scraping the bottom of the education barrel or anything.
I think I'm going to try to learn Korean over the summer. How much Korean would you recommend I know before arriving? How long do you think it'll take to learn that much? |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 3:28 am Post subject: Re: Studying Abroad in Korea |
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| tanase wrote: |
I'm also a little concerned about the quality of education. I'd like it if my tuition money did not go to waste. I think I'd probably be going to Yonsei University in Seoul, but it's pretty flexible at this point. Does Yonsei have a respectable English literature program? If not, do you know of a school (preferably in Seoul) that does?
Sorry for all the text. Here are my questions, condensed:
1. Do you think I'll experience less xenophobia in a college environment?
2. Will I be able to make Korean friends? (I have been able to make friends in the past, so I seem to have at least rudimentary social skills)
3. Is it possible to receive a decent education in Seoul?
4. Although free housing will reduce expenses considerably, I've heard living in Seoul can still be quite expensive. Do you think, in general, this sort of trip is worth that extra expense?
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I studied at Yonsei my sophomore year and if you're concerned about the quality of classes, then coming to Korea might not be a good idea. Yonsei is one of the top schools in this country yet the classes were a joke. But I did learn a lot from my out of class experiences. I don't regret my decision because I personally feel gaining experiences and being exposed to different things are more important than any class. But that's just me. The good thing about the classes being so easy is that your home institution won't know; they'll just be impressed with your good grades (they're not hard to get). So depending on if those credits transfer, it might not hurt your academic career.
1. College students here tend to be a little more open-minded than the rest of society just like in the US, but you should still prepare for some racism. In the classroom you shouldn't worry too much as you'll probably take classes in English, which will be mostly taken by students who are more open-minded. From my observations, racism and xenophobia at Yonsei didn't really pose a problem, just irritation and annoyance.
For example, Korean students once came to the international dorm with a survey for the foreign students. They only asked the white looking students to fill it out and avoided Korean American students (who were the majority). They only let the Korean American students fill the survey after "proving" that they speak fluent English. Also, some of the clubs won't let foreigners join. My guess is that they don't want to deal with people they can't communicate with but either way it was annoying. Like I called the Muay Thai (or was it boxing?)club for my friends and when I told them I was calling for foreign students, they hung up and then later sent me a message saying "no foreigners."
2. Sure why not. There are somethings you should be wary of. Some kids will befriend you only for English or to show off to their Korean friends that they know foreigners. Some people will constantly pester you with questions about how much you like Korea or Korean culture. A lot of people will treat you like a foreigner first, friend second. It's not always bad. Once a girl bought me a bunch of different dishes going, "Hey try this! This is spicey! This Korean traditional blah blah blah." Personally I just don't like being treated like I have to be taught everything and guided every step of the way. But of course people are people, and you could meet a genuine human being anywhere.
3. Depends on what you consider education. I personally think learning how to think and take in information critically and forming one's own opinions is more of an education than simply memorizing information fed to you by an authority figure. Korea is a good place for the latter form of education.
4. If you go to Yonsei as an exchange student they will provide you with a dorm. The program my school put me on actually gave me a stipend for both food and housing. If I opted to live off campus, they gave me money! I lived in the dorms during year but lived with my parents during the winter break, which meant I got "free" money for that time. Money wise, it was a really good time for me.
Getting free housing will cut down expensives considerably. Seoul is expensive or cheap depending how you live (like anywhere). You can get a real good meal for like 5 bucks if you eat Korean food, but if you buy western food (like cheese) or eat at western restaurants, it can get expensive. For me, going out to bars and clubs lightened my pockets more than anything, and you could get easily sucked into the night life in Korea.
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| I think I'm going to try to learn Korean over the summer. How much Korean would you recommend I know before arriving? How long do you think it'll take to learn that much? |
You should learn the basic stuff. Foreign students can take Korean language classes at yonsei so you can do that. Many of my friends did that and got around fine. Some of them didn't speak any Korean and still did ok because they had me to translate.
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ldh2222
Joined: 12 Oct 2007
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 3:36 am Post subject: |
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| UknowsI wrote: |
1. I'm a uni student in Korea, and I have noticed zero xenophobia on campus (but I have been harassed outside of campus). In univ., everybody's busy with school classes/activities/jobs/etc. so in that effect, maybe less.
2. It's easier to make foreign friends than to make male Korean friends, but it's definitely possible. You'll make friends for sure, but maybe you wont be as close as your best friend back home. << Definitely!
3. If you want to study English literature, I very much doubt Korea is the best place to do it... (x2)
4. I think an education in Korea can be cheaper than an education in the US. (I don't know how much US education costs, you're not coming to Korea for the education, right? it seems you just want to come here, and your education is an after-thought...) |
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tanase
Joined: 11 Nov 2009 Location: Saigon
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 4:07 am Post subject: |
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Wow, thanks Fermentation. That's a lot of really helpful stuff.
I'm feeling much more confident about going to Korea now. I think I was starting to give too much weight to all the negative stories I'd read. A lot of times it's all about attitude.
My unversity has ties with Yonsei, so I'm assuming it would be easy to transfer credits. And I don't really mind easy classes. I've been working too hard in Vietnam (2 teaching jobs plus university work), so I'd kind of like a semester to relax and have fun. To tell the truth, the main reason I expressed concern about education initially is because I didn't want to give the impression I was just going to Korea to drink and chase girls. I'm really not that kind of person. |
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Tundra_Creature
Joined: 11 Jun 2009 Location: Canada
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 5:56 am Post subject: |
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I'm currently studying at Inha University in Incheon, and so far, I love it. I can't give you any info on living in Seoul, but I can still try to give you some info on studying I guess (though you seem to have enough stuff here already.)
1. So far, I haven't experienced any xenophobia. As UknowsI said, there is some chitter chatter, and the people might be surprised when they first meet you, after awhile, you just kinda blend in, as odd as that sounds. People are used to seeing your around campus and all that.
2. Of course you can. I've made Korean friends in my classes. A lot of them had travelled abroad before, so they wanted me to feel comfortable like they did in their host countries, etc.
I also joined the TKD team, I've also made quite a few friends as well. It's taught in Korean, but there are some people who speak English and Korean, Korean and Chinese, English and Chinese, or all three, so it works out. They've all been surprisingly hospitable and even the ones who can't say things past 'hello' will try to talk to you and help you out, etc. That's just been my exprience though.
I also hang out with some of the foreigners of course as well. Mix of Chinese, European, and some North Americans, so it's a pretty cool group. Even among this group there are cultural differences and such as well.
3. Well, I'm just here on exchange, taking my electives. Two of my classes are really easy, one is in the middle, and the hardest would be my Korean class because I suck at languages. But it's fun. I more or less came here to experience another culture than study my brains out. I guess it probably depends what you're taking.
4. I go to Seoul on daytrips, so I can't say how it's like to 'live' there persay, but I figure unless you're drinking special umbrella drinks and buying trendy clothing every day, then you should be fine I'd say. Free housing definantly helps. I live in the dorms, and though it wasn't free, the full price of me staying there for fouth months is equivalent to a month and a half for my apartment back home, plus it includes internet, breakfast and supper, gym, and a few other things.
I figure it would be nice to learn the Hanguel before you come over and some basic phrases. I tried to learn that much at least, which I found helped a lot. You'll probably have a lot of people offering to help and translate for you though, but it's always nice not to have to rely on someone all the time.
Anyway, feel free to come over. I'd say. I'm actually really sad I'll be leaving the end of the semester. I've been having a blast, and wish I could stay longer. |
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tanase
Joined: 11 Nov 2009 Location: Saigon
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 6:51 am Post subject: |
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| I'm really glad to see all of these positive responses. I'm starting to really look forward to this. Thanks again for all the information. |
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UknowsI

Joined: 16 Apr 2009
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 7:24 am Post subject: |
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| tanase wrote: |
| I'm really glad to see all of these positive responses. I'm starting to really look forward to this. Thanks again for all the information. |
Even though there are some problems in Korea, there is nowhere else I would rather study. I felt so sorry when the exchange students had to leave after 1 or 2 semesters, and I'm very happy I'm staying for 4 years 1 semester felt like nothing to me.
Now I hope I'm not giving you too high hopes, because there are still plenty of problems, but I still love it. |
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Bog Roll
Joined: 07 Oct 2009 Location: JongnoGuru country. RIP mate.
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 7:36 am Post subject: |
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| tanase wrote: |
| I'm really glad to see all of these positive responses. I'm starting to really look forward to this. Thanks again for all the information. |
Do you want positive reponses or the truth?
Studying is not like working, the experiences here are about people working so yes - there are a lot of horror stories and they are factual.
Maybe you are looking at the wrong information to help you make your desicion.
However I am sure your Korean experience as a student will be quite enjoyable. I wouldn't mind studying in Korea myself, learn Hanguel and have a big smile and you will be fine.
You are going to come across stupid, bush league attitudes and opinions however. You can ignore them or react - your choice. |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 8:03 am Post subject: |
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| tanase wrote: |
| I'm really glad to see all of these positive responses. I'm starting to really look forward to this. Thanks again for all the information. |
I was just trying to be objective as possible but it all depends. Some people absolutely hated it and couldn't wait til the semester was over so they could go back home. Some loved it and didn't want their stay to end.
There are more negative stuff I could've wrote about but I didn't wanna drag on since my post was long enough. The vibe I got from the other exchange students was that their experience in Yonsei specifically was a positive one. Honestly and objectively, I have to say life on campus was good. Korea in general, however, is another matter.
Most of the yonsei specific problems may not bother you but general problems of Korea that are discussed here will still affect you. Either way, it will be a good experience to live in a different culture. If you decide to come to Korea, up this thread and I can give you specific details. For example, don't go to any of the parties hosted by any of the "international" clubs on campus. |
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ajuma

Joined: 18 Feb 2003 Location: Anywere but Seoul!!
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Dharma_Blue

Joined: 11 Oct 2008
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 9:53 am Post subject: |
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| fermentation wrote: |
| don't go to any of the parties hosted by any of the "international" clubs on campus. |
Why not? |
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tanase
Joined: 11 Nov 2009 Location: Saigon
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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Do you want positive reponses or the truth?
Studying is not like working, the experiences here are about people working so yes - there are a lot of horror stories and they are factual.
Maybe you are looking at the wrong information to help you make your desicion. |
Your tone really bothers me. Positive responses and the truth are mutually exclusive, or what?
Yes, I know studying is not like working. That's why I made the thread: to get more specific information. I didn't want to make my decision based on horror stories I'd read about working in Korea.
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| Most of the yonsei specific problems may not bother you but general problems of Korea that are discussed here will still affect you. Either way, it will be a good experience to live in a different culture. If you decide to come to Korea, up this thread and I can give you specific details. For example, don't go to any of the parties hosted by any of the "international" clubs on campus. |
I can handle some problems if the cultural experience is worth it, and I think in this case it will be. I was just worried that I'd end up sitting alone in my room the whole time or something. As long as that's not the case, I'll be fine. I'm almost 100% certain that I will be going now, so I'd appreciate any more specific details you might have. Thanks everyone for the additional comments! |
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