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Privateer
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 Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 12:41 am Post subject: 100 Romanian immigrants attacked in Belfast |
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http://news.uk.msn.com/uk/article.aspx?cp-documentid=148025284
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Romanian families forced to shelter in a church hall after fleeing their homes in Belfast in the wake of racist attacks have vowed to leave Northern Ireland for good.
More than 100 Romanian nationals spent Tuesday night in the City Church, near Queen's University, after evacuating their homes in the Lisburn Road area in the south of the city. |
Looks like there's still plenty of tension in Northern Ireland, although the article doesn't say if it was Protestants, Catholics, or both, attacking these immigrants. You have to wonder why they went to Belfast, of all places, in the first place. |
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Tiger Beer
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| Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 1:09 am Post subject: |
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| A 100? How does someone displace a 100 of them? High statistic. |
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soviet_man
Joined: 23 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 1:28 am Post subject: |
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Romania went from being one of the most prosperous (of the 15) Soviet republics 20 years ago ... to being a prostitute/slave to western Europe today, since joining the EU 5 years ago.
A tragic failure of politics.
It has created a generation of lowly paid manual workers which are used for all forms of exploitation and cheap labor. You can practically walk in to an orphanage in Romania today and buy a child off the rack, such is the extent of the failure of governance there.
If its leaders weren't so viciously anti-Russia, these type of issues simply wouldn't arise. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 2:15 am Post subject: |
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Ireland (the Korea of Europe) is one of the most xenophobic and homogenous countries in Europe.
The irish have spread worldwide and are generally welcomed in every country they emigrate to.
But woe betide any foreigners that want to live in their country. |
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danb056
Joined: 07 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 3:42 am Post subject: Re: 100 Romanian immigrants attacked in Belfast |
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| Privateer wrote: |
| although the article doesn't say if it was Protestants, Catholics, or both, attacking these immigrants. |
I heard (although it may only be rumours) that it was members of 'Combat 18' who were responsible. Wouldn't surprise me. |
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OurPetsHeadsAreFallingOff
Joined: 06 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 4:08 am Post subject: |
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I lived and worked in Northern Ireland for three years lads. Let me tell you one thing - many Northern Irish (irrespective of background) are 100% - you couldnt meet better people.
Unfortunately there are significant amount of total bigots there - these are mainly disaffected loyalists who are unhappy with the Peace process. They are well used to intimidating and assaulting people - the Romanians are just their latest target. The sad fact is that if the Romanians dont leave its only a matter of time before they will have a funeral to arrange. |
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tfunk
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Location: Dublin, Ireland
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| Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 6:54 am Post subject: |
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| Julius wrote: |
Ireland (the Korea of Europe) is one of the most xenophobic and homogenous countries in Europe.
The irish have spread worldwide and are generally welcomed in every country they emigrate to.
But woe betide any foreigners that want to live in their country. |
On what basis did you form this opinion? |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 7:08 am Post subject: |
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| tfunk wrote: |
| Julius wrote: |
Ireland (the Korea of Europe) is one of the most xenophobic and homogenous countries in Europe.
The irish have spread worldwide and are generally welcomed in every country they emigrate to.
But woe betide any foreigners that want to live in their country. |
On what basis did you form this opinion? |
Anytime a country expresses rage at foreigners it isn't long before the theme is how it is "the most" this and that. This way, we don't have to admit that we have a future filled with this stuff. Only the outliers are violently xenophobic. The mass-immigration project can continue apace. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 7:29 am Post subject: |
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If the Irish don't want the immigrants and don't accept them, then why is the state importing them? Won't this necessarily lead to trouble (see the OP)? Who will be the ultimate victim in this? |
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Julius
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| Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 7:46 am Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
If the Irish don't want the immigrants and don't accept them |
Over the past several centuries, and during many times of troubles, famine and political perscution, Irish people have been emigrating worldwide in vast numbers, being accepted and welcomed wherever they have washed ashore. The Irish diaspora is in the multimillions.
so why should it be that when it is their turn to recieve refugees, the disadvantaged and immigrants from less fortunate countries, that they can't bring themselves to do it?
The Irish worldview is much the same as the Korean one. "We have been persecuted, others tried to invade our country. We got rid of them all because we are heroic, a united people, a tribe, with one language. A very old and superior culture. You can come and visit, but be sure not to stay here. We don't really accept outsiders. By the way can you sort me out a greencard? i want to live in your country".
Narrow-minded, homogenous, ethnocentric, overly nationalistic countries that have victim complexes but think they are better than everyone else on some level, yet have been spoiled rotten by the international community such as ireland and Korea need to change their attitudes and join the 21st century.
Ireland beneftted massively by joining the EU. They got loads of money and investment sent their way. Its part of what sparked their "celtic' tiger" economic revolution in recent decades. But they have to learn to give as well as take. At the moment they're just selfish xenophobic backwaters, the both of them.
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mises
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| Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 7:55 am Post subject: |
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| Julius wrote: |
| mises wrote: |
If the Irish don't want the immigrants and don't accept them |
Over the past several centuries, and during many times of troubles, famine and political perscution, Irish people have been emigrating worldwide in vast numbers, being accepted and welcomed wherever they have washed ashore. . |
You might want to refresh your history of the Irish diaspora, particularly in the Americas. For one example, the Irish in the United States were often given jobs that slave owners didn't want their slaves doing, because the slaves were too valuable.
If you have a romantic idea of past periods of migration you're going to be surprised when these things happen today. |
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Julius
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| Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 8:31 am Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
You might want to refresh your history of the Irish diaspora, particularly in the Americas. For one example, the Irish in the United States were often given jobs that slave owners didn't want their slaves doing, because the slaves were too valuable. |
Aww.
Let me wipe the tears away from my eyes.
Apparently the Koreans had it worse though under the Japanese. Thats why the whole world owes them a favor, because everything that happened to them for 500 years was someone elses fault.
Why is it these people who claim to have been such eternal victims of racism, are the first to jump up and start abusing the less fortunate the first chance they get?
if Ireland doesn't want to accept European immigrants, they must leave the EU and go back to being an isolated, backward country.
Korea is similar: if they don't want to import foreign goods or accept foreign people, then they must recieve the same treatment wherever they go.
What I would say to both korea and ireland is this: The world isn't out to get you- you're not actually that special.Grow up. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 8:35 am Post subject: |
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Whatever emotional baggage you want to apply to this issue is irrelevant. We are entering a 10 year long economic downturn (prolly 8 years left). These events are going to increase dramatically. And not just in states that you'd think:
http://www.thelocal.se/19598/20090522/
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'Lynch mob' prompts refugees to flee town in northern Sweden
Nearly half of the predominantly Iraqi-refugees residing in V�nn�s in northern Sweden have decided to permanently move out of the area after being terrorized by what police called �a lynch mob� in early May. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 8:59 am Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
| These events are going to increase dramatically. And not just in states that you'd think |
I guess that as westerners from cosmopolitan nations, we expect other countries to have got with it and acquired the same advanced, liberal attitudes- but the fact is that in most cases they're far behind.
Sweden is a surprise, but come to think of it I have heard before that they're a redneck out-of the way homogenous nation that has evolved an elevated sense of their own cultural superiority, coupled with some sort of master race philosophy. Apparently those 6ft6 beefcakes called bjorn go crazy if you so much as talk to their precious blonde girlfriends. Eye contact with Inge is enough to prompt the nearest alpha primate to challenge you to an arm wrestle.
Man, if it was up to me I'd take all the people on the planet, shake them all around in a big jar a few times and plant them all randomly over the earth again. that way everyone would be in a foreign country and have to learn to accept other humans- instead of sticking in their narrow-minded territorial groups and pointing at whoever is the odd one out. |
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