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How does public school vacations work?
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crianp



Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Incheon

PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 8:27 pm    Post subject: How does public school vacations work? Reply with quote

Hi there, I have been teaching in Korea for over a year at a hogwon with only 11 vacation days. I heard about the increase for public schools and I was wondering how flexible is that increased vacation time?
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dean_burrito



Joined: 12 Jun 2007

PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most public school positions offer 21 days of vacation and there is no standard as to when or how you take them. Most of the time it would be between semesters or during exam weeks.

Also some schools will give you more than 21 days others will make it difficult or impossible for you take your 21 days. I imagine most just give you the 21. On Dave's you only hear about the extreme of the two. Folks celebrating extra time or folks bitching about not getting the time.

How do you know which schools will give you want? Answer is you can't. Principals and head teachers are always being shuffled from school to school and these are the people that decide NSET's fate.
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halfmanhalfbiscuit



Joined: 13 Oct 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any unused vacation during break...you just don't come. Problem solved, there's your holiday.

Why would you come to work when you know you are on holiday?
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cruisemonkey



Joined: 04 Jul 2005
Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.

PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dean_burrito wrote:
Principals and head teachers are always being shuffled from school to school and these are the people that decide NSET's fate.

So true. This is why you get any promises in writing.
When you walk in one day and find a 'new guy' sitting in the v.p.'s chair; or, at the weekly faculty meeting you find out the 'new guy' is your new principal... and has different ideas to his predecessor, you need 'back up' (in both English and Korean).
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dean_burrito



Joined: 12 Jun 2007

PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

halfmanhalfbiscuit wrote:
Any unused vacation during break...you just don't come. Problem solved, there's your holiday.

Why would you come to work when you know you are on holiday?



Obviously don't go to work if you are on holiday but I don't think I'm following you on this. I mean, what was the problem you are referring to?
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cruisemonkey



Joined: 04 Jul 2005
Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.

PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dean_burrito wrote:
halfmanhalfbiscuit wrote:
Any unused vacation during break...you just don't come. Problem solved, there's your holiday.

Why would you come to work when you know you are on holiday?



Obviously don't go to work if you are on holiday but I don't think I'm following you on this. I mean, what was the problem you are referring to?

halfmanhalfbiscuit's response is nonsensical.

dean,
You must be 'proactive' when it comes to vacation in K-land i.e. you dictate to them when you are going on vacation. Over the years, I have found this to be the best way -
Decide when you want to go (within the trems of your contract) and book flights. Write a letter to the school inspector of your district about two months in advance informing him of your plans... and let him forget. A week before you're going to leave and your co-teacher/handler says you must do an 'English Camp' during that time, you pull out the letter and say "No, no, no... read this. I will be on holidays." Cool
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pusky



Joined: 03 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 3:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

my school said I had to take 10 days summer and 11 days in winter. Don't know if it is the actual rule or not and since it is in line with what I wanted to do anyways it seems OK. Basically they have camps and other stuff planned for you and you can request your vacation time in the days that they don't have that scheduled.

You only get 10 days for summer I think, but you can get a few more days than that if your lucky and your school doesn't make you come in and desk warm. They do seem kind of strict that you travel internationally only on official requested vacation days though.
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cruisemonkey



Joined: 04 Jul 2005
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 3:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pusky wrote:
They do seem kind of strict that you travel internationally only on official requested vacation days though.

http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=159894
Myth #6.
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ChinaBoy



Joined: 17 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 10:39 am    Post subject: Re: How does public school vacations work? Reply with quote

crianp wrote:
How does public school vacations work?


They make you spend your time learning grammar.
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BabaNaja



Joined: 12 Apr 2009

PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 11:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When are the exam periods and the "between semester" periods? I know that the school schedule is obviously different from at home, but I would like to know when their winter and summer "vacation" is.
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dean_burrito



Joined: 12 Jun 2007

PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BabaNaja wrote:
When are the exam periods and the "between semester" periods? I know that the school schedule is obviously different from at home, but I would like to know when their winter and summer "vacation" is.


It varies from School to school. My school for whatever reason only has a week and a half break in the summer and a one week break for winter. For some reason in the winter we have extra long classes but the new semesters always start one to two weeks before most other schools. So there isn't enough time to take all the vacation days.
If I can offer one bit of advie for you new people it is this: Show up to school with a calendar and have your co-teacher, handler, and/or vice-principal go through it with you and mark down red days, exam days, and semester breaks. I missed out on a couple of opportunities to use some of my vacation days because people just don't think to tell you about this stuff.
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vonnegutjr



Joined: 24 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think vacation kind of sucks these days. At the POE I work for in Daegu, and as I've heard in Busan, you don't find out the possible vacation schedule until the mid to late of June. Then you have to hope the camps they force you to work are, a) close to your house b) consecutive (so you can take a block period of vacation), and c) paid (but they're not). So you do charity work for 1 to 4 weeks and then try to work out a vacation in a mont and a half that hopefully lands in a block of days. Next year, there will be more unpaid camps because they're great money makers for the program. I have considered quitting and the P and VP gave me the extra days that are neither vacation nor camp days off, for a total of 5 days. I have friends who have to take their vacation one week and then work and then another week. As well, I have a friend who has more camp days than possible vacation, so he doesn't get to take it all. They consider the weekend at his school as a calender day. That said, camps will increase and the new contracts say "18 working days" of vacation instead of 21 calender days. I cannot stress how balls the PS system is becoming. It's almost the same as a hagwon but you work in the morning Smile
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Epicurus



Joined: 18 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't want to sound snarky merely because I dont have to deal with this nonsense, but the contract should be fairly clear on how many vacation days you get and what constitutes a vacation day.

school trying to tell me a weekend counts as vacation day?
NO.

read the contract please.

school trying to tell me I can't take my vacation because they or POE has overscheduled camps?

NO.

read the contract please.

and I wouldn't budge an inch.
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haopengyou



Joined: 10 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think my contract said that I had national holidays off AND 21 days of vacation. How much time is there between semesters?
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Zulethe



Joined: 04 Jul 2008

PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you cultivate a good relationship with ALL the teachers at your school and don't point to your contract every other day, your vacation could grow considerably.

Case in point: I have 7 official vacation days this summer. I work at a public school.

My last day is July 17th and I have no camp and won't be back to school until the beginning of next semester.
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