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raclos234
Joined: 24 Mar 2007
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 Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 3:32 am Post subject: my hagwon "can't find" my diploma |
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i finished my year at my hagwon. to make a long story short, a korean co-teacher (who was responsible for taking care of the foreign teachers) and the director cannot find my diploma.
this co-teacher, who had been there for about 18 months had quit(or fired) about 3 weeks ago...while the director is hardly ever at the school now (she didnt even show up for my last week).
the vice principal (who has nothing to do with my situation) talked to both and said they both have no clue as to where my diploma.
i calmly told her to ask them to look more diligently since i was going on vacation for a week and was going back to the school to help out my replacement.
what should i do when i go back and theres no diploma? i've already got my money...my degree is all that i'm missing.
any advice? |
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phoneboothface
Joined: 26 Apr 2009
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 3:47 am Post subject: |
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| do you need it for anything in the near future? you can ask your uni to make a new one. threaten to call the cops... |
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cruisemonkey
Joined: 04 Jul 2005
Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 4:45 am Post subject: |
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'Chalk it up' to a learning experience and get a replacement from your university. If you ever come back to K-land, you will know not to give an employer your diploma. I sincerely doubt it's worth calling the cops over... in K-land, pick your battles carefully.
Despite what recruiters/employers say, the only people who need to see the 'original' are those at Immigration. |
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Seoul'n'Corea
Joined: 06 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 6:48 am Post subject: Re: my hagwon "can't find" my diploma |
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| raclos234 wrote: |
i finished my year at my hagwon. to make a long story short, a korean co-teacher (who was responsible for taking care of the foreign teachers) and the director cannot find my diploma.
this co-teacher, who had been there for about 18 months had quit(or fired) about 3 weeks ago...while the director is hardly ever at the school now (she didnt even show up for my last week).
the vice principal (who has nothing to do with my situation) talked to both and said they both have no clue as to where my diploma.
i calmly told her to ask them to look more diligently since i was going on vacation for a week and was going back to the school to help out my replacement.
what should i do when i go back and theres no diploma? i've already got my money...my degree is all that i'm missing.
any advice? |
Call the police and your embassy.
You were not smart enough not to get a notarized copy to being with so..
sorry I have to say that. Your university/college probably advised you against bringing an original into a country known for making fraudulent degrees.
you are now experiencing the pain when a snake sells it.
Yes, Hogwans sometimes sell your diploma or blackmail you with them. |
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Seoul'n'Corea
Joined: 06 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 6:51 am Post subject: |
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| cruisemonkey wrote: |
'Chalk it up' to a learning experience and get a replacement from your university. If you ever come back to K-land, you will know not to give an employer your diploma. I sincerely doubt it's worth calling the cops over... in K-land, pick your battles carefully.
Despite what recruiters/employers say, the only people who need to see the 'original' are those at Immigration. |
Wrong, immigration can look at a notarized copy of your degree, it is legal copy with a seal of authenticity on it, and the original NEVER, I repeat NEVER leaves the bank vault!
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Chambertin
Joined: 07 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 9:43 am Post subject: |
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They need an apostille stamp also to be legal and valid copies in Korea.
Other than displaying the original to the embassay at your interview I have no idea why anyone would need to see, let alone touch the original.
http://www.hcch.net/index_en.php?act=text.display&tid=37 |
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lifeinkorea
Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China
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| Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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Next working day, don't go in. When they call to find out where you are, say, "I can't find the school" (Whaddya meeeeen you can't find school? You know where school is, don't lie!!! Oh yea, school, isn't it that place where my college diploma is hidden?  ) |
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nfld_chingu
Joined: 29 Jun 2009
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I was also going to ask about this ...
When I went to Korea in 2007 I did send the school my degree and I got it back with no problems ... now I am trying to go back to Korea and I just want to get the facts straight ... the registrar's office at my university advised strongly against sending it to Korea ... they said it is a big deal if I lose it.
Some schools say they "need" to have the original ... so they are lying? I would rather not send my original if I don't have to.
As for the process in Canada ... if I get a copy of my degree notarized, send it to the Korean Consulate (nearest one to me is in Montreal and I am in Newfoundland so going there is not an option), is that good enough for the visa processing? I keep hearing different things. |
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ajgeddes
Joined: 28 Apr 2004
Location: Yongsan
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| Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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He's finished his year at the school, so not coming in isn't going to be a big deal.
OP, just ask the school for the money it is going to cost you to get a replacement. Show them how much it is going to cost and say it is their problem because they lost it. |
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cruisemonkey
Joined: 04 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Seoul'n'Corea wrote: |
| cruisemonkey wrote: |
'Chalk it up' to a learning experience and get a replacement from your university. If you ever come back to K-land, you will know not to give an employer your diploma. I sincerely doubt it's worth calling the cops over... in K-land, pick your battles carefully.
Despite what recruiters/employers say, the only people who need to see the 'original' are those at Immigration. |
Wrong, immigration can look at a notarized copy of your degree, it is legal copy with a seal of authenticity on it, and the original NEVER, I repeat NEVER leaves the bank vault!
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 I suppose Immigration can look at anything they want... including a notarized copy of National Geographic. However, to issue an E-2, Immigration needs to see either an original copy of the diploma or a copy of the diploma verified by the Korean consulate (or the KCUE).
If you paid someone to notarize your diploma, you're dumber than you appear.
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cruisemonkey
Joined: 04 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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| nfld_chingu wrote: |
| Some schools say they "need" to have the original ... so they are lying? |
Yes, they are.
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| As for the process in Canada ... if I get a copy of my degree notarized, send it to the Korean Consulate (nearest one to me is in Montreal and I am in Newfoundland so going there is not an option), is that good enough for the visa processing? I keep hearing different things. |
The process is the same all over the world. Your diploma does not need to be notarized... unless you're an idiot. Send the original copy (I know... it sounds oxymoronic, but it's a legal term) to the consulate in Montreal when you apply. |
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ChinaBoy
Joined: 17 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 3:45 pm Post subject: Re: my hagwon "can't find" my diploma |
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| raclos234 wrote: |
i finished my year at my hagwon. to make a long story short, a korean co-teacher (who was responsible for taking care of the foreign teachers) and the director cannot find my diploma.
any advice? |
Well, you shouldn't have waited a year, chances are that they actually DID lose it in that time.. should have been the first thing you asked for when you got there
get a new one from your uni.. I've got 5 of them |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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| Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 11:46 pm Post subject: Re: my hagwon "can't find" my diploma |
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| Seoul'n'Corea wrote: |
| Call the police and your embassy. |
Nonsense. This is not theft of your passport. It is an easily replaced diploma. No need to go overboard on a "Koreans are a bunch of thieves!" stereotype.
Simply present them with a bill to replace it, then replace it. The bill should include any postage costs, too. |
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Straphanger
Joined: 09 Oct 2008
Location: Chilgok, Korea
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| Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 12:17 am Post subject: |
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| cruisemonkey wrote: |
| However, to issue an E-2, Immigration needs to see either an original copy of the diploma or a copy of the diploma verified by the Korean consulate (or the KCUE). |
This is, of course, less than correct. I sent an apostilled copy of my original degree. I went along with what my university told me - the degree is a piece of paper you can use to clean yourself. The only proof that the registrar's office offers that a particular degree was conferred is a *transcript* - which is what I handed them when they asked for my degree during my interview. |
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Whistleblower
Joined: 03 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 12:53 am Post subject: |
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The only reason the school needs your diploma certificate is to register you with the local education authority. What I used to do was meet the employer at the Education Authority (along with my passport and diploma) and ensure that the EA photocopy my passport, ARC ID Card and diploma and then it's sorted.
The school only need your diploma for a day but me being cautious I done the job with them at the EA. |
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