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ManintheMiddle
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Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 3:22 am Post subject: WHAT DO SERENA, KANYE, AND MJ HAVE IN COMMON? |
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I see a pattern developing here and I'm not alone in this perception. Many of you have seen it coming too, perhaps for a very long time, like me. Permit me to get racial and why not, as this spate of incidents indeed has racial overtones, often forced on us as viewers.
Consider only the most recent examples of young Blacks behaving badly:
1. Michael Jordan, ever the ego-tripper, chooses to spout off at his own NBA Hall of Fame induction ceremony, badmouthing anyone with whom he ever had a grudge on the court. He even tells his kids that he would "hate to be them." Gee, thanks, Dad.
2. Then Serena Williams, always on the verge of doing some chicken-necking, flies into a rage over a bad call late in her match to her Belgian opponent, which she was losing. She threatens the Asian umpire with bodily harm and upbraids her again as the court referees meet to decide her penalty. Then later at her press conference she plays coy--or should I say she plays dumb--about what transpired, never apologizing.
3. Fast-forward to last night. As teenage sensation Taylor Swift is accepting her MTV award, on walks Kanye West, a vastly over-rated "musician" if there ever was one, grabs the mic from her and insists that Beyonce deserved the award more. The audience boos him and applauds her, as well they should have. His only act of contrition: a half-hearted apology on his overblown website.
And let's not even mention the antics of Naomi Campbell, Chris Brown, or that other Brown, Bobby, who even his ex Whitney now admits is a total azzwipe.
Now of course some of you are probably saying, oh there goes MIM again with one of his rants on Blacks. No, this is NOT a rant on all Blacks, or even African Americans, but in particular on a younger generation of same who feel ENTITLED or is it EMPOWERED (re: emboldened) to say almost anything they want when they want.
Hear me out: this is a disturbing trend made more upsetting by the fact that some of those most outspoken against it--people like Bill Cosby, Oprah Winfrey, Juan Williams, and now columnist Billy Johnson, Jr. are from older generations. It's a kind of raw, rude, and relentless display of thuggery or, to put it bluntly, acting ghetto. Before the present generation took the stage or court, I gave no credence to the line, "You can take the Black out of the ghetto but you can't take the ghetto out of the Black." Indeed, I found it downright disgusting.
But I'm beginning to have a change of heart, not just because of the huge spike in the number of these ghetto acts, but since most if not nearly all of the public criticism leveled against them is coming not from peers but older generations of Blacks who suffered through a hel-l of a lot more but still managed to maintain a quiet dignity and even grace.
No, there is a new coarseness at work in Black youth culture which began with the rise of gangsta rap and hip hop slop. It explains why someone like Snoop Dog can attract the audience he does. It has a growing base which is, to be sure, not confined to the Black community. But it is a base that is debased, that appeals to the lowest common denominator and is, above all, as devoid of real, enduring talent as it is decency.
One of the most popular talk radio hosts is a guy who goes by the name "The Black Avenger." He and more than a few very well educated Blacks of older generations have repeatedly been on record saying that there is an illness afflicting the African American community, which is riven by out-of-wedlock births, chronic underemployment, violence, and fatherless families. While these problems are not, of course, peculiar to this demographic, they are significantly and consistently more pronounced with it.
But I also believe these thuggish antics are indicative of the excessive tolerance shown to excessive behavior emanating from far too many younger Blacks. One sees it all the time in the news these days. I saw it firsthand in my previous career as an inner-city high school teacher. And it shows no signs of abating despite the election of an African American to the presidency and the very visible good role models otherwise abounding in the media. Were this bad behavior limited to the so-called permanent underclass of the Black community, it might at least be understandable if still not acceptable. But it isn't; going ghetto is seen by far too many as cool, as hip, as a way to be whenever one feels like it.
It is also no doubt part of a larger trend of roguish behavior as one sees on talk shows like Jerry Springer and more than a few radio shows. And, no, I'm not talking about Joe Wilson's unseemly outburst against Obama in the well of the House the other day. What MJ, Kanye, and Serena have done goes well beyond the pale.
So what gives? Or more precisely, what will need to give before the American public at large holds this sort of behavior accountable. Jordan gets away with anything because he's untouchable--a King. The King of Pop got away with saying and doing things it would have been inconceivable to have been tolerated in the King of Rock, Elvis, had he done the same. Williams takes a page from McEnroe but finds even the latter commenting on air that she went too far. And Kanye--well--let's just say it's just the most recent installment in a long series of punk moves.
But where's the backlash? Williams is penalized but in two days time her outbursts are all but forgotten. A few sports columnists took MJ to task but little more will be said. The other MJ is dead and buried but still his past is being air-brushed. And Kanye, Bobby, and their ilk continue to shock and mock without retribution by awards shows and their labels.
Yes, it is a form of entitlement and it's only going to get worse before it gets better unless the media establishment gets some much needed backbone. |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 3:48 am Post subject: |
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Sorry I'm colourblind, was Joe Wilson at the VMA awards? |
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proustme
Joined: 13 Jun 2009 Location: Nowon-gu
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Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 4:58 am Post subject: |
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ManintheMiddle wrote: |
Before the present generation took the stage or court, I gave no credence to the line, "You can take the Black out of the ghetto but you can't take the ghetto out of the Black." Indeed, I found it downright disgusting. But I'm beginning to have a change of heart, not just because of the huge spike in the number of these ghetto acts, but since most if not nearly all of the public criticism leveled against them is coming not from peers but older generations of Blacks who suffered through a hel-l of a lot more but still managed to maintain a quiet dignity and even grace. |
Why did you find it disgusting at a previous time in your life? You have to admit, it's a trashy, belittling one-liner about Blacks. It is an untenable, middle-term missing, piece of syllogistic bullsh-t; no wisdom can be found in it. How can it no longer be such? Surely not merely because of a handful of outrageous acting, famous Black people. |
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Pink Freud
Joined: 27 Jan 2003 Location: Daegu
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Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 5:05 am Post subject: |
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ED209 wrote: |
Sorry I'm colourblind, was Joe Wilson at the VMA awards? |
Man, you got the best one-liners. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Location: retired
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Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 5:10 am Post subject: |
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Kanye West is probably the most arrogant man in America. I do like what he has done with ghetto fab, though. The prison bitch look was tired and even hipster skinny jeans are an improvement.
But Serena's rantings were not completely out of line with court antics. Professional athletes blow up sometimes. And MJ was a junkie, as was Heath Ledger, DJ AM etc. Half of suburbia is whacked out on oxy.
You might like this article MITM: http://www.miamiherald.com/living/columnists/leonard-pitts/story/1229849.html |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 7:52 am Post subject: |
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I am not sure it is a generational thing as evidenced by the analogous outburst recently from Henry Louis Gates.
The question I posed then I pose again: has such behavior now been potentiated by the Black Man in the White House?
BTW, Williams' penalties may not yet be over. She may get disqualified from future majors tournaments.
And stop confusing the MJs! |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Location: retired
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Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 7:54 am Post subject: |
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bacasper wrote: |
I am not sure it is a generational thing as evidenced by the analogous outburst recently from Henry Louis Gates.
The question I posed then I pose again: has such behavior now been potentiated by the Black Man in the White House?
BTW, Williams' penalties may not yet be over. She may get disqualified from future majors tournaments.
And stop confusing the MJs! |
My bad. I skipped the first paragraph. |
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ubermenzch

Joined: 09 Jun 2008 Location: bundang, south korea
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Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 9:30 am Post subject: |
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MITM is making an error of confirmation. He wants to find examples of young blacks behaving badly, and has no problem doing so. But we could all find examples of the opposite as well, whether that be young whites behaving badly or young blacks behaving exquisitely. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue
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Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 10:58 am Post subject: |
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2. Then Serena Williams, always on the verge of doing some chicken-necking, flies into a rage over a bad call late in her match to her Belgian opponent, which she was losing. She threatens the Asian umpire with bodily harm and upbraids her again as the court referees meet to decide her penalty. Then later at her press conference she plays coy--or should I say she plays dumb--about what transpired, never apologizing |
Isn't this kind of par for the course with tennis platers, though? John McEnroe even does jokes about it in movies, playing himself. And wasn't there that Ilie Nastase guy who was also supposed to be some sort of rude crude dude? |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue
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Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 11:04 am Post subject: |
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The King of Pop got away with saying and doing things it would have been inconceivable to have been tolerated in the King of Rock, Elvis, had he done the same. |
If you're referring to Michael Jackson's questionable liasons with young males, did he really get away with it? He was charged and tried. True, he was acquitted, but that probably had more to do with his being able to afford the best legal counsel, rather than simply getting a break because he's black.
And let's be honest, how often do you hear the statuatory rape charges mentioned whenever the details of this guy's fabled career are recounted? |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue
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Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 11:43 am Post subject: |
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I just watched the footage.
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3. Fast-forward to last night. As teenage sensation Taylor Swift is accepting her MTV award, on walks Kanye West, a vastly over-rated "musician" if there ever was one, grabs the mic from her and insists that Beyonce deserved the award more. The audience boos him and applauds her, as well they should have. His only act of contrition: a half-hearted apology on his overblown website.
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MITM, you forgot to mention the part where Beyonce, who hails from the same black generation as Kanye, called Taylor Swift back onto the stage, so that Taylor could have "her moment" as well. Any particular reason why you omitted this detail? |
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sluggle
Joined: 25 Jun 2009 Location: suwon
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Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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The only thing that could possibly be worse than watching the Glenn Beck show is reading the posts of an internet troll who wishes to be Glenn Beck. |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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On the other hand wrote: |
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The King of Pop got away with saying and doing things it would have been inconceivable to have been tolerated in the King of Rock, Elvis, had he done the same. |
If you're referring to Michael Jackson's questionable liasons with young males, did he really get away with it? He was charged and tried. True, he was acquitted, but that probably had more to do with his being able to afford the best legal counsel, rather than simply getting a break because he's black. |
Never mind the best legal counsel, how about the $25+ million he had to pay off the various families of his bed-sharing friends, Neverland workers, and potential witnesses against him?
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And let's be honest, how often do you hear the statuatory rape charges mentioned whenever the details of this guy's fabled career are recounted? |
I don't believe Chaplin was ever charged, was he? And didn't Elvis start dating Priscilla when she was 13? |
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mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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ManintheMiddle
Joined: 20 Oct 2008
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Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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Pink Freud noted:
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Man, you got the best one-liners. |
Uh-huh, but too bad our little praying girl overlooked the part where I mentioned Wilson in her zeal to make it.
ubermensch clarified:
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MITM is making an error of confirmation |
Wish were it true but in this socio-cultural trend--and I do think it is a disturbing trend--the repeated instances of thuggish behavior prompted the response, not the other way around.
I believe there is indeed a problem among many (certainly not all) young Black celebrities, usually males. It's a kind of macho reaction to misperceived victimization, if you get my drift.
Yes, OTOH, Beyonce did "the right thing" but the continued need for that expression in itself strongly implies a problem. Why the need to make a slogan of what was once common sense and common decency? Why wouldn't you do the right thing to begin with, or at least recognize it's worth? Ironically, the main characters in Spike Lee's film don't, in fact, do the right thing. They choose the Malcolm X approach, which even its namesake backed away from after his return from Africa in the months leading up to his assassination by the Nation of Islam.
Were these isolated, periodic outbursts I could be rightly accused of seeking confirmation of my views--of cherry-picking if you prefer--but one doesn't need an obsessed agenda to see what's happening. And the very fact that so many moderate and conservative Blacks of older generations have commented on this malady cannot be lightly dismissed as seeking the same. One of the most striking indications of this phenomenon is that even in the AFTERMATH of such egregious behavior, many still do not see the error of their ways. Jordan is a good case in point. Another was Whitney Houston who, in the wake of Bobby's release from prison some time ago, not only vehemently denied their constant drug use and defended his thuggish behavior, but displayed an almost Jekyll and Hyde attitude toward the press and concerned fans alike (and this from a woman who had a relatively stable upbringing). And need I remind of that supreme sociopath, O.J.?
Of course, celebrities do not in the main represent most of us. But in my occasional email correspondence with former colleagues who're still in the trenches of the inner-city and even the suburbs, these kinds of outbursts have been occurring with greater frequency. That may be anecdotal but it doesn't negate the premise.
And that premise is based on my perception that American society has for so long condoned or overlooked this sort of behavior from younger Blacks (again, especially males) who have achieved celebrity status that far too many have internalized this response pattern knowing there won't be any serious reprecussions.
Now we see Serena has made an act of contrition which is more calculated than sincere. Kanye has at least gone public in a big way. So there's hope for redemption.
But what underlies this situation, festering beneath the surface in most Black families is the utter absent of a responsible adult male figure. Add to this mix the increasing number of Black youth who live with their grandparents because both parents are absent from their lives and the disproportionate number of out-of-wedlock births and you've got a perfect storm of dysfunction brewing on the horizon. And this absence of male father figures, which is well documented in the 2000 U.S. Census and elsewhere is, I feel, at the root of the problem. These celebs feel immune from public condemnation, and this arrogance is fueled by a lack of skill (as opposed to inability) to negotiating social situations of the sort that lead to these outbursts. Serena has a strong father figure in her life but still suffers from a sense of entitlement. And while Michael Jackson and Kanye West had strong mothers, the former's influence was offset by an abusive father and the latter couldn't be the male role model he obviously needed. |
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