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Tipsters on Illegal 'Hagwon' to Get Up to W2 Mil. Reward
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mike123_ca



Joined: 12 Mar 2003
Location: wandering between Chonan and Asan

PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 1:33 pm    Post subject: Tipsters on Illegal 'Hagwon' to Get Up to W2 Mil. Reward Reply with quote

Do you know a school that is overcharging students or not paying taxes.

Now there is a new goverment service being offered,
Maybe they are deducting tax from your salery, but not sending it to the government.

http://koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2009/07/117_48011.html

Tipsters can send information by letter, phone and Web site of the ministry, www.mest.go.kr. Tipsters will receive the cash once the information is confirmed.

I bet the government forgot to tell the hagwon association about this. Twisted Evil
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Mr. Pink



Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China

PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All those threads about turning in illegal teachers...finally we'll get some interesting posts. Those doing the ratting and those doing the illegal deeds.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I could probably rat out every hagwon and English tutor I know in my hick town for something or other but would I ever become unpopular around town in a hurry.
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meangradin



Joined: 10 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's starting to feel a lot like '97

I wonder if a foreigner can collect these rewards.
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Otherside



Joined: 06 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could go into almost any neighbourhood and write down the names of all the hagwons you see. Hand that list to the authorities, and I reckon you'll have a success rate of over 90%.

How many hagwons do you know which aren't doing ANYTHING illegal?
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:
I could probably rat out every hagwon and English tutor I know in my hick town for something or other but would I ever become unpopular around town in a hurry.



But with a cash bounty of 2 million per...you could probably afford to retire immediately afterwards.... Laughing
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lifeinkorea



Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China

PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

meangradin wrote:
It's starting to feel a lot like '97

I wonder if a foreigner can collect these rewards.


Just team up with a Korean and split the profits.
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pocariboy73



Joined: 23 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not just hagwons that are getting fined. So are private teachers.

My wife's Korean sister just got busted for private tutoring in her home as she wasn't registered with the tax dept.. An ajuma in the Apt. complex ratted her out and got a 2,000,000 won reward. Apparetly the Lee government is conducting a nation wide crackdown on tax cheats in the education industry including both hagwons and private teachers. People who turn in the hagwons or teachers get rewards.
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FistFace



Joined: 24 Mar 2007
Location: Peekaboo! I can see you! And I know what you do!

PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 4:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It really angers some people in Korea when teachers make more per month than a mid-level manager at a company. It makes a mockery of the unsaid confuscist hierarchy and entitlement due to upbringing and good-ole'-boy networks ensuring that certain children from certain families make more money than others.

I wonder how much LMB cheated in taxes last year?
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AgentM



Joined: 07 Jun 2009
Location: British Columbia, Canada

PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like a good strategy for the gov't, not so great for FTs doing illegal privates.
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Smee



Joined: 24 Dec 2004
Location: Jeollanam-do

PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, Suncheon has banners up again telling locals to be on the lookout for native speaker English teachers giving private lessons:

http://briandeutsch.blogspot.com/2009/07/suncheon-back-on-lookout-for-illegal.html

Not as bad as the witch hunt with the "You are being watched" signs in Daejeon last year:
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=88076


Or the sting operations in local kindergartens (also in Daejeon):
http://briandeutsch.blogspot.com/2008/06/its-whitey-season-in-daejeon.html

As I mentioned on an earlier thread, when you add this kind of stuff to the recruitment of more Korean English teachers, the use of Indians, Filipinos, and other foreigners to teach English, and the xenophoboic garbatge in the media lately, you really start to be convinced that they're trying to poison the market and get rid of the trend of NSETs in every school and hagwon.
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T-J



Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae

PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smee wrote:


As I mentioned on an earlier thread, when you add this kind of stuff to the recruitment of more Korean English teachers, the use of Indians, Filipinos, and other foreigners to teach English, and the xenophoboic garbatge in the media lately, you really start to be convinced that they're trying to poison the market and get rid of the trend of NSETs in every school and hagwon.



But wasn't "getting rid of the NETs in every school at least part and parcel of the original plan? Hasn't the employment of foreigners always been a short term stop gap measure? Combined with the other points you raise it is getting and going to continue to get tougher here if the trend continues...
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lifeinkorea



Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China

PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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An ajuma in the Apt. complex ratted her out


Now, at which point do they claim you are teaching privately? How do they prove it? My gut feeling is they can't unless the person being taught confesses. The ajuma mentioned above was merely a go between, an accomplice. That's my ESL privates conspiracy theory Laughing

A) Almost zero danger - You meet with your hagwon owner and eat out. He says something incorrectly in English and you decide to correct him. Someone hears you do this and thinks you are private tutoring, and they have no clue that person is a hagwon owner. This can be easily cleared up if need be.

B) Moderate danger - You meet someone for language exchange. Same thing happens. However, when it comes to paying, the Korean forks over the cash for both of you. You would then pay the next time (Asians often pay for foreigners every time, but I like to share in this). People seeing this might think you are teaching that person when they see money only coming out of the Korean's pocket.

C) Danger Danger Will Robinson - Your Korean friend invites you over to their apartment. You do language exchange, but the neighbors don't know. They see you regularly meet with a friend. How can you prove you weren't teaching?

D) Mixed Danger - You attend a meetup in Seoul. A group of native English speakers (95% ESL teachers) meet with Koreans (mix of college students and businessmen wanting to learn English). People who stick around see both sides teaching their native language. However, what if someone comes in only during a period when English speakers are teaching Koreans? They could perceive this as private teaching. I highly doubt they would think to wait until the end to see everyone paying their way (which in fact is usually handled by one Korean who collects the money before an event).

So, if you are going to teach for extra cash, do it so the money exchange is hidden. Anyone that gets "ratted" out must have taken some unnecessary risks (like having someone regularly putting a fixed amount into their bank account each week or month).
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T-J



Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae

PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^^From the sound of it, you were not here in 1997.
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CoolBoss



Joined: 17 Dec 2008

PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^^^

So for any of you who were here in 1997, what can we expect from this? Should we be expecting to deal with a nation of vigilantes, or will there just be a few money-hungry snitches sniffing around for tutors?

I've heard stories about when the government paid citizens for reporting traffic violations (people with their cameras ready at every busy intersection), and if that's the reaction we can expect towards this new "business opportunity"... well, then that's one more incentive to get out of this country.
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