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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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 Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 6:00 pm Post subject: Dan Choi Called Back Into Active Service |
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In a sign that momentum behind a repeal of the military's "Don't Ask Don't Tell" policy is having an impact, openly gay U.S. Army National Guard Lieutenant Dan Choi has been recalled to active duty.
Choi, a West Point graduate and trained Arabic linguist, was dismissed from duty in the spring of 2009, because of "Don't Ask Don't Tell." Since then, he's been a leading voice for the cessation of the policy. The Advocate has more:
Gay military rights advocate Lt. Dan Choi has been reportedly called back into active duty. Photographer Jeff Sheng, who recently turned his lens on active gay and lesbian service members, confirmed the news in a blog posting on Bilerico.com.
Over at Bilerico, blogger Jeff Sheng has a photo of Choi, back in training and looking glad to be there. He reports that Choi's return to active duty prevented him from leading a workshop at this past weekend's NGLTF Creating Change conference.
Spencer Ackerman, who has been following this story for The Washington Independent, offers this in the way of analysis: "That's a strong sign that even ahead of a full repeal of the so-called gay ban, proceeding at a deliberate, year-long pace advocated by the Pentagon's top leadership, relaxed enforcement of the policy is already in place." |
Exactly what should be done. Cranky hate-mongers might have the power to obstruct any attempt to remove DADT in the Senate, but out in the real world, they have little power to force its application. Start allowing openly gay people to serve regardless of the law, and when the results are in no way the "morale catastrophe" that the hatemongers insist will be the case, they'll have no ground to stand on at all. |
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RufusW
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| Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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Good news. He's been pretty high-profile, TDS and Maddow for two.
I'm not sure about DADT, but it seems like the army could basically keep gay soldiers on by ignoring and not prosecuting. I think a lot of low-level military are against gays in the military so a repeal/new law will be needed. Possible by simply majority in the senate I believe. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Possible by simply majority in the senate I believe. |
I think DADT was passed by both houses, so revoking it would also need the approval of both houses. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm not sure about DADT, but it seems like the army could basically keep gay soldiers on by ignoring and not prosecuting. |
They could, in fact, do this. It's entirely within their power. And it's also the optimal response to the hatemongers in the Senate, who will simply look childish and spiteful as they continue to protest what McCain called, 'Ending DADT by fiat.'
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| Possible by simply majority in the senate I believe. |
I think DADT was passed by both houses, so revoking it would also need the approval of both houses. |
It's revocation would, in fact, require both houses to pass a vote, but it would probably pass fairly easily in the House. The Senate is the real roadblock. |
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djsmnc
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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| I say get rid of DADT and create "Scared Straight," a program that allows them to serve but puts them on the front lines and in more dangerous missions. |
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rocket_scientist
Joined: 23 Nov 2009
Location: Prague
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| Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 12:09 am Post subject: |
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Hi - I'm an example of bad morale, I'm an American and I have decided the place is over. I'm doing whatever I can to defect to Russia. I'm a vet and and a former officer and I certainly don't wave the flag any longer. Russia has more integrity.
The USA is a place to dump toxic waste, sell pornography and lottery tickets.
I certainly would not want to tie my future up in the place or raise a family there. If I go there any more, its pretty much just for the money. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 12:17 am Post subject: |
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Hi - I'm an example of bad morale, I'm an American and I have decided the place is over. I'm doing whatever I can to defect to Russia. I'm a vet and and a former officer and I certainly don't wave the flag any longer. Russia has more integrity.
The USA is a place to dump toxic waste, sell pornography and lottery tickets.
I certainly would not want to tie my future up in the place or raise a family there. If I go there any more, its pretty much just for the money. |
You can pretty much just travel there straight up. No need to defect anymore.
BTW, they are not communist anymore.  |
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kabrams
Joined: 15 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 1:05 am Post subject: |
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| I say get rid of DADT and create "Scared Straight," a program that allows them to serve but puts them on the front lines and in more dangerous missions. |
Is this some sort of pun? |
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rocket_scientist
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| Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 2:34 am Post subject: |
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There are a lot of gays in the interpretation services because interpretation is considered a girlish and effete profession. Gays are girlish and effete. And catty and self absorbed and vain and attention hungry. They also don't have to follow rules that apply to everyone else because of how special they are.
All who oppose are Third Reich. You know what, I kind of like the Third Reich. Those were good times. |
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kabrams
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| Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 2:39 am Post subject: |
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There are a lot of gays in the interpretation services because interpretation is considered a girlish and effete profession. Gays are girlish and effete. And catty and self absorbed and vain and attention hungry. They also don't have to follow rules that apply to everyone else because of how special they are.
All who oppose are Third Reich. You know what, I kind of like the Third Reich. Those were good times. |
STFU |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 4:45 am Post subject: |
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| All who oppose are Third Reich. You know what, I kind of like the Third Reich. Those were good times. |
What is your particular problem with this:
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
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rocket_scientist
Joined: 23 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 5:33 am Post subject: |
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Certainly Ya-ta,
The rule looks good on paper but there are problems with it such as dealing with unlawful combatants.
Gays openly flout the law as its still against the law for openly gay people to serve in the military yet this Choi fellow got back in. A nation of laws? Not so much any longer.
Choi took all the goodies and defied authorities. This is called mutiny, it certainly isn't obeying legal and lawful orders.
I'm not looking forward to more gay rights as newly assigned rights provide proof of victim status and victim status provides ascendancy to the elite victim class and all of the stardom, glamour and power that comes with it.
We agree that gays were treated the same as blacks and therefore they are entitled to own all white people for 500 years and they, like blacks will sit and do nothing for pretty much eternity until The Debt is paid.
In the meantime and I just get more conscious hustlers like Jews who try to own the world with Holocaust rememberence (Rep Grayson, Republican healthcare = Holocaust) Liberals (Ya-ta boy "Remember The Deep South During The 1960's) and blacks who finally granted enough freedom and dignity to elect an ineffective and unremarkable man who is black to the president's office.
Gays will be genuine bogarts at the trough of victimhood and I really am not looking forward to it. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 6:17 am Post subject: |
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You write like Sarah Palin talks. That is not a compliment.
If you have trouble with 'equal protection of the laws' then I don't know what to say to you, nor do I really need to. The onus is on those who can't accept that basic rule. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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| rocket_scientist wrote: |
| The rule looks good on paper but there are problems with it such as dealing with unlawful combatants. |
So civil liberties are something that look good on paper, but just aren't practical. Wow.
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| Gays openly flout the law as its still against the law for openly gay people to serve in the military yet this Choi fellow got back in. A nation of laws? Not so much any longer. |
Sometimes we need to stand up against unjust laws, especially when we can do so in a way that makes our point without simultaneously harming anyone. A person who breaks a just law is a villain. A person who breaks an unjust law specifically to protest said law, while harming no one else in the process, is a hero.
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| Choi took all the goodies and defied authorities. This is called mutiny, it certainly isn't obeying legal and lawful orders. |
If the Nazi military had mutinied against its unjust leadership, an immense tragedy would have been avoided. Sometimes, mutiny is a good thing.
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We agree that gays were treated the same as blacks and therefore they are entitled to own all white people for 500 years and they, like blacks will sit and do nothing for pretty much eternity until The Debt is paid.
In the meantime and I just get more conscious hustlers like Jews who try to own the world with Holocaust rememberence ... |
Because your diatribe condemning Blacks and Gays just wasn't complete without some anti-Semitism to top it off. |
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rocket_scientist
Joined: 23 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2010 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
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The rule looks good on paper but there are problems with it such as dealing with unlawful combatants.
So civil liberties are something that look good on paper, but just aren't practical. Wow.
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Yes, I've seen the Fed Gov't waste decades and billions of dollars on fantastical palaces of ethics while all where phoney. I have before a giant trash heap of thought in the areas of civil rights. I can see the difference between trees and forests.
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| Gays openly flout the law as its still against the law for openly gay people to serve in the military yet this Choi fellow got back in. A nation of laws? Not so much any longer. |
Sometimes we need to stand up against unjust laws, especially when we can do so in a way that makes our point without simultaneously harming anyone. A person who breaks a just law is a villain. A person who breaks an unjust law specifically to protest said law, while harming no one else in the process, is a hero.
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We disagree, my rights and wrongs are not your rights and wrongs.
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| rocket_scientist wrote: |
| Choi took all the goodies and defied authorities. This is called mutiny, it certainly isn't obeying legal and lawful orders. |
If the Nazi military had mutinied against its unjust leadership, an immense tragedy would have been avoided. Sometimes, mutiny is a good thing.
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I am of Eastern European extraction, my views of the Third Reich may be different than yours. I'm positive on the Third Reich, I'm glad Hitler killed as many communists as he could, more is better. The USA did nothing while we were terrorized, enslaved, worked to death and murdered.
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We agree that gays were treated the same as blacks and therefore they are entitled to own all white people for 500 years and they, like blacks will sit and do nothing for pretty much eternity until The Debt is paid.
In the meantime and I just get more conscious hustlers like Jews who try to own the world with Holocaust rememberence ... |
Because your diatribe condemning Blacks and Gays just wasn't complete without some anti-Semitism to top it off. |
I don't understand why I need to be pro Semite all the time. Its your position that Semites are flawless. Its silly being an Anti Semite as Semites are pieces of flesh and are sinless however, I have serious disagreements with Jewish ethics. There are many examples but one of my favorites comes from Apartied.
The world has been instructed on what to think about Apartied and the world does what it is told reliably. Perhaps they should not. Apartied was a policy that put blacks on one side of town and whites on the other except thats not true. The policy was blacks on one side of town and whites and Jews on the other. When Jews need to cue up for white privilege, they do so reliably yet they are never called on to account for the crime, they point over to whites.
I'm sorry, Jewish ethics are not perfect. |
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