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Why am I not hearing more offers?

 
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Ro2



Joined: 23 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 1:18 am    Post subject: Why am I not hearing more offers? Reply with quote

iya,

I'm just wondering if anyone can shed any light on why I'm not hearing any more job offers. A few months ago, I tried contacting a few agencies and since then have been liaising with the one who replied with the most helpful answer. It turns out that they're not exactly a terrific agency, and I've no chance of getting work in a larger city with them - and I would definitely prefer to work in a larger city.

So for the last few weeks I've been replying to job ads by agencies on a few sites, saying I want to come to Korea at start of September to teach AND that I would prefer to be in a larger city such as Busan, Daegu or Seoul. But i've heard nothing back from anyone - or at least nothing with any promise.

My credentials are: I'm a native english speaker (from Dublin, Ireland), and have a master's degree.

My (i'm told) disadvantages: no teaching experience or tefl cert, not north american accent,

I've also been told that I can only apply for public schools positions because I'm not applying from my home country (i'm currently travelling in China), so that apparently rules out hagwons.

Still, i thought by now i'd have received some promising options, especially since I know several people who have simliar CV's and backgrounds to myself (e.g. similar age, non-north american, no tefl cert) who are happily teaching in Seoul and Daegu.

Can anyone think of any good reason why i'm not getting anything?
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Julius



Joined: 27 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 2:07 am    Post subject: Re: Why am I not hearing more offers? Reply with quote

Ro2 wrote:

My credentials are: I'm a native english speaker (from Dublin, Ireland), and have a master's degree.

My (i'm told) disadvantages: no teaching experience or tefl cert, not north american accent,

I've also been told that I can only apply for public schools positions because I'm not applying from my home country (i'm currently travelling in China), so that apparently rules out hagwons.


The market has been swamped recently with North Americans fleeing the recession. Schools are cherry-picking, and they will take an American over any other nationality, mostly for the accent.I'm not sure where Ireland fits into their order of preference. If you can present a BRitish passport then you should have no problem however.
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sugarkane59



Joined: 10 Jun 2009
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 2:34 am    Post subject: Maybe... Reply with quote

Maybe you are being too picky?

I wanted a public school due to working hours, but I'm now going with a hagwon due to high demand for public schools this year. My agency told me that EPIK stopped taking applications in June which is unprecedented for them (usually they stop mid-August apparently).

The cities you named are the most popular, maybe if you look at smaller places like Daejeon?
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halfmanhalfbiscuit



Joined: 13 Oct 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 2:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Probably too early actually-schools are usually not that organised 2 months out from your desired start
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FistFace



Joined: 24 Mar 2007
Location: Peekaboo! I can see you! And I know what you do!

PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 4:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Schools are swamped with North Americans" is a bullshut line.

It's a line recruiters use to get you to accept crap offers from hagwons they can't place anyone in.

They simply don't want to bother with you (and the paperwork) given that you're overseas in another country, due to the paperwork you'll have to get.
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Ro2



Joined: 23 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 4:37 am    Post subject: Re: Maybe... Reply with quote

sugarkane59 wrote:
Maybe you are being too picky?

I wanted a public school due to working hours, but I'm now going with a hagwon due to high demand for public schools this year. My agency told me that EPIK stopped taking applications in June which is unprecedented for them (usually they stop mid-August apparently).

The cities you named are the most popular, maybe if you look at smaller places like Daejeon?


Yeah the agency i've spoken to told me the same thing - so does that mean that if I was going to get any public school position, I would know by now?

But also, as far as I know, I can ONLY take public school positions because a hagwon job would require me sitting an interview in Ireland (I don't know why), and I'm in China now so that would be, eh, difficult!

The accent may be a problem in principle, I understand, but I am told constantly by people that I'm very clear-spoken for an Irish person. And literally just today a Chinese person asked me I lived in the US because I sound so american!
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Ro2



Joined: 23 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 4:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

FistFace wrote:
"Schools are swamped with North Americans" is a bullshut line.

It's a line recruiters use to get you to accept crap offers from hagwons they can't place anyone in.

They simply don't want to bother with you (and the paperwork) given that you're overseas in another country, due to the paperwork you'll have to get.


On the whole paperwork thing, I have it all in order already and I keep telling them that! I have my police check done, I have my transcripts, copy of my degree...it's all ready (though it's with my parents in Dublin, they'll have to send it to me)
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FistFace



Joined: 24 Mar 2007
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 4:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're not looking during a peak hiring time. That time has come and gone. The typical recruiter line is to tell you nothing is available because everyone wants their public school jobs. The truth is that the jobs are only allowed to be filled certain times per year. As someone else mentioned, wait around a month or three and things will open up drastically.

We see the same cycle happen. When these jobs open, there is so much talk about them being filled (Seoul mostly) and the gov't educational office inserts its obligatory "we've go so many foreigners coming to teach for us that we're overbooked" story in the Korea Herald. Then, a month or two later, you'll see articles in the same newspaper about how only 60% of positions were filled, etc..

Recruiters won't tell you that, however, because you may not return to them in a few months, and they want to place you in a shutty hagwon contract now.
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Tobias



Joined: 02 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 4:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

FistFace wrote:
"Schools are swamped with North Americans" is a bullshut line.

It's a line recruiters use to get you to accept crap offers from hagwons they can't place anyone in.

They simply don't want to bother with you (and the paperwork) given that you're overseas in another country, due to the paperwork you'll have to get.


This is exactly right. If they were swamped with applicants, they wouldn't have to advertise. They could simply pull names from their (mythical) piles of resumes they've supposedly accumulated in the recent past. The popular line 'we're swamped...' is intended to shake your confidence so you'll accept less in salary. It's one of the oldest tricks in the recruiters' rather large bag of tricks.

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Big Mac



Joined: 17 Sep 2005

PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 5:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be honest, I really think the fact that you're from Ireland is what is holding you back.

Irish accents are probably one of the least desirable for ESL in Korea. The fact that you may have a more neutral accent than some would only matter if you got so far as the interview stage. Many employers won't even want to look past the "Ireland" on the resume.

I actually think it is good for Korean kids to hear as many different accents as possible. But Irish accents are sometimes difficult for me to understand, so I can understand why Korean kids might have trouble.

Public schools in the country might be a better bet for you. I actually live in a pretty rural area and many of the public school teachers here aren't even native speakers, the fact that they hold passports from English speaking countries is what got them the job.

If you want to be in Seoul or Busan though, you'll have to be really patient, I think.

Good luck!
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kimuchiii



Joined: 02 Dec 2007

PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 6:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good luck! I believe there is information here: http://www.hikorea.go.kr/pt/index.html about how to go about getting a visa issued even if you are outside of your home country. Also try doing a search here (good luck!) and you may find more info or better yet someone with actual experience may be able to help you!

※ When applying from a third country is permitted:
- Those that have worked in Korea as a Professor (E-1), Foreign language instructor (E-2), or Researcher (E-3), and have no record of law breaking
-�Those whose education level has been verified by domestic verification agency (�Korean Council for University Education�) that was created based on Law on Korean University Education Association
▶By rule, must go through an interview at the consulate. (However, those that applied for visa issuance from a third country may skip this portion as situation warrants)
- According to the standard interview manual, conduct a face-to-face interview. However, if circumstances were such that making a visit is not possible or plausible, then it may be conducted over video conference.
- If, after the interview, the applicant is deemed unfit to work as an instructor, visa will not be issued regardless of the issuance of visa issuance certificate.
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Ro2



Joined: 23 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big Mac wrote:
To be honest, I really think the fact that you're from Ireland is what is holding you back.

Irish accents are probably one of the least desirable for ESL in Korea. The fact that you may have a more neutral accent than some would only matter if you got so far as the interview stage. Many employers won't even want to look past the "Ireland" on the resume.

I actually think it is good for Korean kids to hear as many different accents as possible. But Irish accents are sometimes difficult for me to understand, so I can understand why Korean kids might have trouble.

Public schools in the country might be a better bet for you. I actually live in a pretty rural area and many of the public school teachers here aren't even native speakers, the fact that they hold passports from English speaking countries is what got them the job.

If you want to be in Seoul or Busan though, you'll have to be really patient, I think.

Good luck!


I have wondered about this. It makes sense that my nationality, in principle, would be a disadvantage. However, I have an old irish school friend who - i just learned yesterday - recently started teaching in Seoul, and he has the same lack of teaching experience etc that I have. So it wasn't a barrier for him. In addition, a friend of mine from Scotland - with a thick Glasgow accent, far more difficult to understand than most irish accents - has just started his SECOND job in Seoul. So the accent itself is not an insurmountable barrier.
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BabaNaja



Joined: 12 Apr 2009

PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 6:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try contacting a few different agencies then. Just because the one you're working with was the most helpful with your questions, doesn't mean that they have the most job opportunities that they know about. They also seem pretty set on placing you outside of a city, and I KNOW there are still schools in larger areas looking for teachers.

Also, remember to act confident (but not cocky) with the new recruiters: I'm a good teacher, this is what I want, which school is going to be lucky enough to get me? Good luck.
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