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ellytots
Joined: 02 Jul 2009
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Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 3:22 am Post subject: Backpaying national health insurance |
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Hey everyone,
Hope someone knows about this and can help me out!
I've been working in the same hagwon for the past 10 months. It's in my contract that I should have National Health Insurance - but my employer did not get it for me. Instead he got private, saying it would be cheaper for both of us - being new to the country and not really sure how it all worked, I agreed, not thinking it was a big deal.
Have just discovered that when I get a new contract in a few months, with a different school, and register for National Health Insurance, I will have to backpay for every month I didn't pay for while at this school.
Is this true? If it is, do you know what rights I have, if any? My employer should technically have paid 50% contribution to the NHI, but next year I will have to backpay the whole thing from my own money. Is it possible that I can somehow force my employer to pay the money? Or is it already too late and the damage is done?
Any advice would be hugely appreciated!
Thanks
Ellie |
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i
Joined: 10 Apr 2008 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 3:28 am Post subject: |
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I understood that I was covered by insurance when I got off the plane. Didn't know it for 3 months and had to pay for the previous 3 months. That said, I'm not on a contract with an employer. Don't have experience with a mess as big as yours. |
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mike123_ca

Joined: 12 Mar 2003 Location: wandering between Chonan and Asan
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Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 3:35 am Post subject: |
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Call N.H.I.C. They can tell you how long you have to leave the country. Then everything will be reset back to zero. |
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Young FRANKenstein

Joined: 02 Oct 2006 Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 4:15 am Post subject: Re: Backpaying national health insurance |
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ellytots wrote: |
I will have to backpay for every month I didn't pay for while at this school. |
Well, of course. NHIC is mandatory. I know your claim is that you didn't know you couldn't opt out of it, but ignorance of the law isn't really going to win you brownie point with them.
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My employer should technically have paid 50% contribution to the NHI, but next year I will have to backpay the whole thing from my own money. |
Who said you would have to pay 100%? The school? I would simply tell NHIC, "Here's my 50% of the bill, go after the school for their 50% of the bill". And leave it at that. you are only responsibile for 50%. Your school should also be fined, on top of what he owes, for breaking the health insurance laws. Cheaper or not, NHIC is mandatory and cannot be opted out of. He should know that better than you. |
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lhasa
Joined: 26 Jan 2008
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Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 5:12 am Post subject: |
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If you get stuck backpaying 50% NHIC then talk to National Pension to get your 4.5% from the school....maybe not good idea if you're from a country that can't claim after leaving though. |
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ellytots
Joined: 02 Jul 2009
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Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 1:23 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for your replies.. SO annoying!
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Who said you would have to pay 100%? The school? I would simply tell NHIC, "Here's my 50% of the bill, go after the school for their 50% of the bill". |
Do you think that would fly? My school hasn't said I'd have to pay 100%... my school claims neither of us will have to pay anything at all. I am trying to find something official (preferably in Korean) to print out and give him as proof that he needed to pay that money but haven't been able to find anything.. any advice on where to look for that?
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Call N.H.I.C. They can tell you how long you have to leave the country. Then everything will be reset back to zero. |
Really? Would be great if that was true! I will call and see what they say.
Thanks for all your replies! |
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Young FRANKenstein

Joined: 02 Oct 2006 Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 1:41 am Post subject: |
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ellytots wrote: |
My school hasn't said I'd have to pay 100%... my school claims neither of us will have to pay anything at all. I am trying to find something official (preferably in Korean) to print out and give him as proof that he needed to pay that money but haven't been able to find anything.. any advice on where to look for that? |
Stop listening to your school. It is not in their interest to give you the correct info on the laws. They don't want to pay the money, so they will tell you that they don't have to.
They are wrong. NHIC has been mandatory for E2 visa holders (among other foreign work visa holders) since January 1st, 2006. Employees pay 50% of the premiums (starting from the first day of employmeny) and the employer pays the other 50%. Period.
1) http://www.hikorea.go.kr
---> English
---> "Medical System in Korea"
---> "Medical Insurance"
2) http://www.nhic.or.kr/eng/
---> "Frequently Asked Questions" |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 7:18 am Post subject: |
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When you get your new conract and start working at your new school, they will (hopefully) register you for National Health Insurance and Pension. Since you have never been registered there before, it is quite likely that they will assume that you are new in Korea, register you as a new worker and there will be no back payments. If you just want to let things go as easy and possible and avoid hassels, just wait to see what happens when your new school registers you.
It is possible that they will notice and go after the back payments. If so, the Health Ins offices and Pension offices share info now, so you will likely have to pay both.
If, however, you have some grudge against your old school, you can report yourself to the Pension and Health Insurance offices. You will have to pay for half of each for your first year and so will your employer. You will lose on the health insurance side, but you will gain more on the pension side. This could also result in a lot of problems and legal paperwork, so you might want to wait until you are safely working at your new job. A couple of months of not working would cost you more than what you have already lost.
Another question that follows is regarding income taxes: How much have you been paying? There is a strong possiblilty that you have not been paying taxes correctly or that your employer has not been paying in the amounts collected from you. |
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Young FRANKenstein

Joined: 02 Oct 2006 Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 7:38 am Post subject: |
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ontheway wrote: |
This could also result in a lot of problems and legal paperwork |
I can't speak for NHIC (my case never went as far as filing something formal), but pension paperwork took all of 5 minutes, and the caseworker did all of the legwork. I didn't do anything. Had my money a couple weeks later. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 7:56 am Post subject: |
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Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
ontheway wrote: |
This could also result in a lot of problems and legal paperwork |
I can't speak for NHIC (my case never went as far as filing something formal), but pension paperwork took all of 5 minutes, and the caseworker did all of the legwork. I didn't do anything. Had my money a couple weeks later. |
I should clarify that I meant problems from your current employer who would be angry that you reported him. You're 10 months in, so it might be better to wait until you get your new job before making trouble with your current boss. Wait until he is your former boss. |
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Young FRANKenstein

Joined: 02 Oct 2006 Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 8:05 am Post subject: |
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ontheway wrote: |
Wait until he is your former boss. |
Agreed. I did that, and it was fun to watch him turn crimson and froth at the mouth at my "disrespecting" him so much... and have zero power to stop me now that he had no visa to hold over my head. |
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ellytots
Joined: 02 Jul 2009
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Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 3:43 am Post subject: |
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Thanks again. Very helpful.
Would rather not have to register for pension if I can help it... I'm from the UK and so apparently don't get that money back at the end of the year? Although that may just be another lie he told me!
I'm pretty sure he has been doing something dodgy with the taxes too.. I only get taxed 3.33% or something... It means he has only registered me as a part-time employee or something like that? What does that actually mean, in layman's terms??
I'd happily wait until getting my new contract.. with 2 months to go I'd rather not rock the boat and risk not getting my flight and bonus etc. But I'm just worried that once I'm out of his hagwon, it's out of his hands, and I wouldn't be able to get the money from him anymore since he's no longer obligated by contract.. |
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Young FRANKenstein

Joined: 02 Oct 2006 Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 3:48 am Post subject: |
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ellytots wrote: |
I'm from the UK and so apparently don't get that money back at the end of the year? |
Brits DO get their pension back, they just don't get it back as a lumpsum payment. Brits have their Korean pension contributions transferred to their British pension accounts.
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I'm pretty sure he has been doing something dodgy with the taxes too.. I only get taxed 3.33% or something... It means he has only registered me as a part-time employee or something like that? What does that actually mean, in layman's terms?? |
You've been registered as an independent contractor. In layman's terms, you've been screwed. |
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ellytots
Joined: 02 Jul 2009
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Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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screwed in what way?
i'm still pretty confused about this whole ordeal. what do i need to do now? :S help! |
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ellytots
Joined: 02 Jul 2009
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Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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also, is my employer DEFINITELY still legally obligated to pay the other 50%, even after my contract is finished and I am working with another school? If that's the case, I'll just keep quiet in the hope the next school doesn't find out, because I'll have to pay either way. |
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